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Rick Jelliffe wrote:
> But losing expertise is the point. At some stage, the young thrusting
> achievers become the corrupt old guard, unable and unaware of other
> possibilities and bound by career motives to push for the centrality of
> their concerns and expertise. You want some churn, fresh blood, etc.

Hmmmmm, no, I fully agree with Mike here. In my experience that's not at 
all how it works, in fact it's often quite the opposite. The worst 
problems I've seen in WGs have always come from "fresh blood" (not all 
or even most of it thankfully). They are mostly people who are a bit too 
prompt to forget that the reason they're on a WG is *not* because 
they're experts, but only because they work for someone who's paid for 
them to be there. They think they have all the best ideas and reinvent 
the whell under a zillion new terminologies. Since they're not burnt out 
from the previous years of work on the spec, they have lots of energy to 
push their nonsense (though surprisingly little to actually pause and 
listen to the others, or dig up past discussion to try to understand why 
something is this way, or even read the drafts for that matter). Those 
are by far the worst. [Note that any resemblance between this 
description and any participant on the SVG WG is purely fortuitous.]

The "corrupt old guard", at least the part of it that hasn't holed 
itself out in the higher Andes out of bitterness. It is true that there 
are insularity problems, sometimes strong, but what you suggest wouldn't 
help (most WGs get fresh blood on a regular basis anyway).

I very highly doubt that anyone does standards work out of "career 
motives", that would be pretty much like the proverbial effing for 
virginity. Or if it's a reality somewhere, I'd like to hear how it works 
out ;)

> Keeping a two year group membership would alter the dynamic of spec
> development and encourage layered, non-monlithic specs that each were more
> implementable. The old guard will still be around for advise and comment.

I don't think that being around for advice and comments is sufficient. 
What you need is for the people who have gotten burnt bad trying to 
write, finalize, and implement to have enough clout to prevent the 
newcomers to make the same mistakes they did.

Robin Berjon
   Senior Research Scientist
   Expway, http://expway.com/


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