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   RE: [xml-dev] Python and JSON vs XML???

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On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 08:32 -0500, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> Actually, they are that high.

No they're not.

>   During the 'mad era', very 
> big contracts have been let that require the use of XML. 
> Take a look at EDXL, CAP, GML, SensorML and inquire if these 
> make sense given the speeds required and the video payloads.

And there are typical in whose wormhole view of the Universe?  I can
counter with Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc.  Sorry, no matter how much
we like to puff ourselves up in this group, XML is just not that
important at the scale of typical business.

> XML doesn't make sense in some of this.  The trick is to 
> figure out where:  hint, the closer you get to real time, 
> the less sense markup makes.
> Java doesn't rule.  In fact, in lots of these contracts, 
> it doesn't count.  Microsoft has to take the credit and 
> the blame for what is about to happen.  Speeding up XML 
> and compressing the payloads is a big deal.  Those who 
> don't think XML Binary is going to happen are putting 
> rocks in a river that will simply flow around them.
> I have a sense when reading this thread that we are 
> talking about programmers and systems that are small, 
> one-off, don't have to scale, and aren't integrated. 
> When size really matters, the programmers accept the 
> trade-offs because if they don't, they look for new 
> jobs.

I have a sense that you just occupy an alternate reality from mine, but
then I usually get that sense from you.  Programmers don't run business
prioritization.  They run programming sessions.  Business people don't
run programming sessions.  They run businesses.  I know programmers at
many companies working on large-scale, integrated systems, and I've
never heard of one case that corroborates this theory of yours.

> Are you a turtle?  You bet your sweet a** you are.

What on earth does this mean?  Actually, never mind.

Uche Ogbuji                               Fourthought, Inc.
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Use CSS to display XML, part 2 - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss2-i.html
XML Output with 4Suite & Amara - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/04/20/py-xml.html
Use XSLT to prepare XML for import into OpenOffice Calc - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/
Schema standardization for top-down semantic transparency - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think31.html


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