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Hm, I am starting to understand something: you appear to be talking about
stacks of turles that do {thinking about, specifing (and reading other's
specs), setting goals, designing, implementing, using} OF applications /
systems, XML-based or not. And I thought the talk was about stacks of
turtles that ARE themselves XML-based applications / systems!
Can one even hope to conceptualize any useful stacks of the first kind?
That's just a mess of communicating individuals. Only math and software
coming out of this mess are real. [Wow, I'll call this platonism of the
3rd millenium!]
Vladimir
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> Kind of an abstract stack for a computer, yes?
>
> But look at turtle5 (or 4 for C turtles): English.
> Often that is exactly the semantic language of
> choices. Vladimir points out RDF, etc., and
> fine, but it is more common to find English.
>
> For example, from a recent draft spec [1]:
>
> "<Vehicle> A motor-driven conveyance designed to carry or transport
> something (Operator, passengers, cargo)
>
> Example: (See Resource Category Examples Tables)
>
> Source: IEEE 1512, GJXDM, VEDS, FEMA Resource Typing (FRT), ROSS
>
> NOTE 1: GJXDM uses the term "Property" for Aircraft, Boats, Commercial
> Vehicles etc.
> It excludes trailers and boats from "vehicle"
>
> NOTE 2: GJXDM also has "Property Physical Details" (physical desc)"
>
> NOTE from Len: the source names records of authority where authorities
> expressed a choice. One
> hopes these aren't in conflict. Substitutions are dangerous so limiting the
> choosers of choices
> to only a few turtles can be advantageous. This is the component
> specification problem of
> political inclusion by reference (consensus on steroids).
>
> So given this and a wrapper that points to whatever points to
> the choosing turtles, the turtles dance together pretty well.
> RDF may be too expensive for the job. English may work well
> enough. RDDL anyone?
>
> Types may be ambiguous. That is fine. A system without superpositions
> is a) inflexible b) non-organic. It is a question of the a) resources
> consumed making a choice including time b) the consequence(s) of a wrong
> choice c) the payoff.
>
> What is the impact of using substitution groups on the turtle stack?
>
> len
>
> 1. Emergency Data Exchange Language (EDXL)Standard Format For Resource
> Messaging
>
>
> From: Nathan Young [mailto:natyoung@cisco.com]
>
> OK, learning from Vladimir's example how about this stack?
>
> 1. People
> 2. private ideas
> 3. private tools
> 4. shared ideas
> 5. shared vocabulary/language
> 6. shared tools
> 7. shared processes
> 8. people
>
> examples of each layer
>
> 1. me
> 2. hungry
> 3. stick I use to pick my teeth
> 4. "non-zero sum game"
> 5. English
> 6. XML (or the hammer/nail/lumber combination for construction)
> 7. network computer application (or an assembly line factory)(or a
> freeway)
> 8. mouse wigglers (or widget buyers)
>
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