RE: [xml-dev] Utilizing the Web's Whole Information Space, i.e., Mechanisms/Patterns of Information Usage and Formation?

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

> 
> Patterns of communication abstracted from their 
> implementations are describable without reference to The Web 
> or mechanisms implemented to use URIs, TCP/IP etc. just as 
> the SOA RM can be described without reference to web 
> services.  The SOA RM is SOA's analog to XML's infoset (not 
> buyable, but definitional).
> 
> The use of the SOA RM acts as an upper ontology (really, 
> terms and definitions) which can then be used in descriptions 
> of Enterprise SOA (the services comprising a business of some 
> type).  The Enterprise SOA is then used as the basis for 
> describing services to be procured.  The vendor answers with 
> a set of possibly web services or other implementations that 
> meet the requirements of the Enterprise SOA.  What you can 
> actually price are forms, reports, fields, interfaces, 
> hardware services and licenses.
> 

AMEN!!!

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:len.bullard@intergraph.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:41 PM
> To: 'Peter Hunsberger'; Costello, Roger L.
> Cc: XML Developers List
> Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Utilizing the Web's Whole Information 
> Space, i.e., Mechanisms/Patterns of Information Usage and Formation?
> 
> I was trying very hard to stay out of this but since my name 
> was invoked, leathery winged thing that I am, I am compelled 
> to answer.
> 
> ... explosion from smoke box, low strings and horns with slow 
> timpani pulse in unison crescendo to brass section fanfare 
> and cymbal crash (really kitchy stuff)
>  
> <sigh>The Web is information resources identified by URIs.</sigh> 
> 
> ... wild applause at the obvious simple brilliance of that 
> with flowers thrown at feet of The Director and some 
> discussion in the box seats of giving him yet another prize 
> with a $ amount and an opportunity to speak to the general 
> assembly of the UN...
> 
> You don't really want to open up that discussion again.  
> 
> Mechanisms will mean real things like clients and servers, 
> yes?  Unless you assume those definitions, then this is a 
> discussion of as one said, computer science or just patterns 
> of open integrated hypermedia systems.  The Web hasn't 
> contributed anything new to that domain in terms of patterns 
> of information use and formation, so 'emergence' isn't 
> exactly right: repackaged, relabeled and patented are.  We 
> knew how to build component architectures a long time ago.  
> "THE WEB" == URI.  Full stop.
> 
> Patterns of communication abstracted from their 
> implementations are describable without reference to The Web 
> or mechanisms implemented to use URIs, TCP/IP etc. just as 
> the SOA RM can be described without reference to web 
> services.  The SOA RM is SOA's analog to XML's infoset (not 
> buyable, but definitional).
> 
> The use of the SOA RM acts as an upper ontology (really, 
> terms and definitions) which can then be used in descriptions 
> of Enterprise SOA (the services comprising a business of some 
> type).  The Enterprise SOA is then used as the basis for 
> describing services to be procured.  The vendor answers with 
> a set of possibly web services or other implementations that 
> meet the requirements of the Enterprise SOA.  What you can 
> actually price are forms, reports, fields, interfaces, 
> hardware services and licenses.
> 
> So if this is a Pattern RM, one could start with:  
> 
> o Publish/Subscribe
> 
> o Call/Response
> 
> o Get
> 
> o Post
> 
> o Push 
> 
> o Pull
> 
> You aren't by any chance looking for the MEPs As Yet To Be 
> Named By URIs are you?
> 
> len
> 
> 
> From: Peter Hunsberger [mailto:peter.hunsberger@gmail.com]
> 
> Huh?  "physical virtual layer"?
> 
> You mean the layer that isn't really there?
> 
> (Maybe we can get Len to set it to music.)
> 
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