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   RE: [xml-dev] Mailmen, Post, intent, and Duck Typing

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Seems right, Sterling.  Note that critics of Grice equate that 
to the Relevance Principle.  The paper I cited critiques 
Grice's Maxims but notes that they have a loose validity.

Pragmatics concerns itself with the implications of speech 
acts within a context/situation.  So in two examples from the web:

If I understand it, http is designed to make it possible to 
use the network with the fewest assumptions and implications 
about the content's meaning when accessed.  If I access a 
product page, the implication that I am buying a product, 
and secondarily, transacting a charge against my bank acount 
shouldn't be valid unless I explicitly order it.   The 
legal restriction that I can't truncate a URI to access 
a resource is architectural nonsense because the system 
is designed to work that way.  So it is the responsibility 
of the resource administrator to explicitly restrict access 
because the architectural design implicitly declares any 
content to be public unless explicitly restricted.  The law 
should reflect the technical reality and not attempt to 
legislate against the grain of the architecture.

Pragmatics make the obligation of the speaker to be 
clear and the obligation hearer to map to the intent of the speaker 
a field of study.  Is it useful (in the YAGNI sense)? 
There possibly will be pragmatic layer systems (see the 
papers of Aldo de Moor, et al) that are useful.  There 
are cases such as illustrated above that I think are 
easily made using this subfield and applying it to 
architectural decisions.

In short:  I think it worth understanding technically 
and in domains outside our technology.  If, as Peter notes, 
we have to have webPsychs to use the system, we may 
be into YAGNI but given the webPsychos, maybe not.


-----Original Message-----
From: me [mailto:sstouden@thelinks.com]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 PM
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: [xml-dev] Mailmen, Post, intent, and Duck Typing

Mr. Bullard, I have reduced you fri, 24 feb 2006 post and attempted to
summarize it for my understanding.   Please tell me if I have it right.
Thanks. sterling

Cooperative Principle is a concept by Grice:
  it says to be useful a taxonomy should classify and order its objects
ways which correspond to how it might be used?

to use it requires efficient methods to access the designed content:
   operationally: simple primitives for hardware
   functionally: assumptions about the presentation to the user
http verbs imply: efficient coding
SOAP implies efficient physical means to retrieve the content
identifiers ( metawords) imply search recognition efficiency
design effort: implies a worthy value on return to a search hit.

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