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Ok. I have to give up on this one, because I'm lost. I hadn't been
exposed to the terminology you were using relating to cybernetics, but
from the point of view that you just stated, yeah: multiple viewpoints
across the same data is a good thing. I was taking what you said less
literally, so maybe the tangent wasn't fair.
I'm also familiar with the blackboard pattern (although not directly
from Sowa, but I can't remember where I saw it first right now). I've
used a modified version of it to handle sync/async interactions in the
implementation of the Half Sync/Half Async pattern, but I'm not sure
what the rest of what you're talking about is except for it's use in
occasionally connected clients.
ditto the reference to the O'Reilly conference.
I take your earlier comment about the context for what the original
start for the thread was: the web and only the web. Fair enough, but
from a few other things going on over the last few days, it's really
driven home that in several cases, we need a lot less zeal and a bit
more critical thinking & actual understanding of how people solve
problems. A lot of people don't articulate the why, only the how, and
that makes it difficult when it comes time to change it later.
Originally totally unrelated, but I was reading something that caused me
to revisit Brooks and found this gem:
"It is far better to be explicit and wrong than to be vague."
At least we know where you're coming from (where you != Len, because I'm
certainly not talking about you or your comments). Guess I just let my
annoyance at some other stuff interrupt the thread. So, no, I wasn't
talking about the web, The Rule of Least Power, cybernetics, blackboards
or anything concrete.
Back to lobotomizing some architectural principles in the name of
backward compatibility... *sigh*
ast
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 19:45, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> Ummm... that's a structured clipboard and a user-built
> application. 5 cents, please. The point of a subjective
> approach is to enable multiple viewpoints over the
> same information. See RSS/Delimited ASCII. It isn't
> always safe but it shifts the risk to the buyer/hearer.
> RSS/Atom is the ultimate in XML weasel-wording and that's ok.
> Dare to expect less. You won't be disappointed.
>
> It used to be called a blackboard. John Sowa makes a
> case for this architecture in his paper on architectures
> for intelligent systems noting that AI systems have
> been doing it like that for decades. Now that Ozzie
> has reinvented it and it is the next new thing, I'll
> wait a few years for the monkeyBuzz to build, then
> show him the patents we have on this technique that's
> been in use for occasionally connected clients for
> years and years.
>
> O'Reilly conferences are the biggest bullsh*t generators
> in the history of the web. Yet as in the "Magic Christian",
> that doesn't stop people from diving into the pool... after
> all, the money is as real as the stuff it's floating in.
>
> "If you want it, here it is. Come and get it
> But you better hurry cuz it may not last..." - Badfinger
>
> len
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Townley [mailto:andrew.townley@bearingpoint.com]
>
> What we need to spend more time on articulating is the context in which
> these "truths" hold so that everyone can be able to evaluate them
> effectively based on their own needs and understanding, e.g. their own
> personal context. If we can achieve this sort of thing, we'll be a lot
> better at picking the right tool for the job because we'll have a much
> better understanding of both the tool and the job.
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