Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup data" or "wr

[Robert Koberg <rob@koberg.com>]

On Sep 12, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Mark Shellenberger wrote:

> So you are suggesting that "to tag" has now become a causality of  
> Web 2.0?
> Wonderful.

I really don't understand the jump you are taking

>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Koberg [mailto:rob@koberg.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:35 PM
> To: Mark Shellenberger
> Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup  
> data" or
> "wrap data in tags"?
>
> This sounds right to me:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(metadata)
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Mark Shellenberger wrote:
>
>> I agree that 'tagging' stuff seems a bit vulgar but it also gets
>> across the
>> message to those that need said message.  I make a point of showing
>> the
>> difference between element and tag in conversation regarding XML
>> because
>> those two terms have specific different meanings.
>>
>> But how are 'to markup' or 'to tag' (in the sense of XML/HTML)
>> different?
>> Or is it just a sensibility thing?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Deborah Aleyne Lapeyre [mailto:dalapeyre@mulberrytech.com]
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:38 PM
>> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
>> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup
>> data" or
>> "wrap data in tags"?
>>
>> "Preferred" is such a slippery word. In my teaching experience
>> (no preference implied):
>>
>>> 1. I marked up the data.  - is the way the professionals in
>> this industry would say it. It sounds fine to most of us, but also
>> confuses many novices, even copyeditors.
>>
>>> 2, 3, and 4 are OK, but nobody talks like this in real life IMO
>>
>>> 5, 6, 7 have never been heard by me in the real world. I also
>> don't like them much (maybe I do have a preference after all)
>>
>> The great unwashed (i.e. professionals in some other business
>> than this Markup stuff) would, I think, mostly agree with Mark,
>> they "tag" their data.
>>
>> Overlap geeks have been heard to call it
>>  "applying inline markup"
>>
>> ----------
>> Yes, Steve, I agree that "to mark up" is a verb, but
>> even "markup" the noun has problems.
>>
>> When Balisage wanted a subtitle to tell people what the
>> conference was actually about, we chose
>>  "Balisage:The Markup Conference".
>> Sounded good to us, because we wanted to express that it was more
>> than "Balisage: The XML Conference" since it was perfectly
>> fine to talk about microformats, SGML, non-XML-based mashups
>> and clouds, out-of-line-markup, LMNL, etc. But it left a lot of
>> people wondering what the conference WAS about, and we have had
>> some very odd email reactions and a bunch of business types
>> who do not view the UBL and other tag-related things that
>> they do as "markup". Markup is for text, not data is some eyes.
>> Odd old world.
>>
>> --dal
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