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Re: [xml-dev] What are the practical, negative consequences ofthinking that attributes are metadata?

Yes, the best format for persistent records is not at all clear.

Whether XSD really has a viable place in that quadrant either is not clear too: perhaps for XML databases. But if JSON has removed the need for data binding tools that use XSD, then a lot of XSD's big use-cases disappear, it seems to me.


On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Ihe Onwuka <ihe.onwuka@gmail.com> wrote:
The way Rick sees it makes alot of sense to me (but I would find room for RDF in the picture), whereas I find some of the other comments bemusing. 

Why isn't there much of a corresponding debate between XML and RDF (or JSON and RDF)?

Well XML vs JSON is an issue is because the JSON community see their ecosystem as replacing rather than co-existing alongside other ecosystems (XML in particular). The attitude is JSON and it's ecosystem is all you need. The ability to deploy XSLT/XQuery 3.0 (or JSONiq for that matter) is largely irrelevant, because your chances of being able to deploy any of them in a JSON shop are slim to zero.

Given that, being neutral wrt the two formats would imply being perfectly comfortable discarding  XML (ecosystem and all) and switching to a typical JSON ecosystem. If I were not comfortable advocating such then I wouldn't be expressing neutrality.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@allette.com.au> wrote:
 Here is kinda how I see it. How do others see it?

               |          Fields       |    Literature
Ephemeral      | i.e. messages: JSON   |     HTML  
Stored         | i.e. records: XML+XSD |     XML  


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Costello, Roger L. <costello@mitre.org> wrote:

Simon St. Laurent wrote:


Ø  I think that none of the data-centric cases

Ø  where this conversation tends to take place

Ø  are even appropriate use cases for XML at

Ø  this point.


That is a fascinating statement Simon!


Would you elaborate please? I’d like to understand more fully what you mean.


Isn’t XML necessarily about data, i.e., data-focused, data-centric?


What are the appropriate use cases for XML at this point in history?



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