Re: [xml-dev] International standards versioning communities

["G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com>]

At 2019-06-06 12:11 +0200, bryan rasmussen wrote:
> I'm basically thinking more like a community focused on 
> international standardization,
Then you definitely need to check out https://www.niso-sts.org/ and 
the parent organization https://www.niso.org/ for their efforts to 
convince international standardization communities to use their STS metadata.

We are seeing uptake on the formatting side, but arguably the 
metadata side is more important.

> and then I ask on that community -
>
> hey I have a bunch of DNV-GL Guidelines in PDF form, I want to 
> extract titles, version numbers, does anyone know where I can find 
> info on doing that?
/standard/std-doc-meta/title-wrap[1]/full will get you the title in 
the first of possibly many languages.

/standard/std-doc-meta/std-ident/version will get you the version number.

See the overview of metadata here:

https://www.niso-sts.org/TagLibrary/niso-sts-TL-1-0-html/element/std-doc-meta.html

> and then someone might respond well if you look at the General 
> Guidelines Parser project at Github there is a PERL 4.0 script 
> handling DNV Guidelines but it hasn't been updated in a year, 
> however DNV has a pretty good documentation on how their documents 
> must be structured - even if it is hard to find - read here , but 
> the original files are actually in DocBook format that and if you go 
> to this url you can find the originals and just parse those if you 
> want and if you can handle the DocBook format.
>
> OR whatever - but yes I expect that there are not enough people with 
> those needs that there would be a community list dedicated to 
> serving it, so basically I need to figure it out on a case by base basis.
Have you considered a wikipedia page of metadata types and letting 
each organization update it with their specific details? The answers 
would be of interest to all.

. . . . . Ken


> Thanks,
> Bryan Rasmussen
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:44 AM G. Ken Holman 
> <<mailto:gkholman@cranesoftwrights.com>gkholman@cranesoftwrights.com> wrote:
> At 2019-06-06 10:57 +0200, bryan rasmussen wrote:
> >XML-dev is probably the closest thing to what I want but I figured I
> >would ask in case someone knew some list more appropriate.
> >I need to be able to figure out what versioning rules particular
> >organizations are using - for example if I want to do an automatic
> >metadata extraction for documents from CCS (China Classification
> >Society) or Bureau Veritas I would like to know if they have any
> >sort of standardization regarding document structure so I don't have
> >to spend a lot of time asking each organization or trying to figure
> >out what the structure is by examining all documents they've
> >released - but I bet there is not any sort of a community dedicated
> >to this kind of discussion.
>
> That is quite an arbitrary query to try and satisfy. Are you trying
> to cover different domains or a single domain? Communities of
> organizations may come up with conventions for members to use, but it
> would require uptake, then, by those members to great a corpus of
> documents using the common vocabulary.
>
> I can offer the following regarding international standardization,
> which comes to mind when you cite the organizations you cited.
>
> The NISO STS (Standards Tag Set) is the evolution of the ISO STS use
> of the JATS vocabulary both for metadata and for content. A number of
> SDOs (Standards Development Organizations) are using NISO.
>
> <https://www.niso-sts.org/>https://www.niso-sts.org/
>
> I'm involved with the 
> <http://SetareSolutions.com>http://SetareSolutions.com startup that is
> servicing the SDOs who need PDF and HTML renderings of the ISO
> standards marked up using STS. We are seeing STS now from ISO
> national bodies that also are publishing their own national
> documents, not just those from ISO. This trend should result in
> widespread adoption of the metadata conventions that would help
> within that one particular domain.
>
> But a general query across unrelated domains of "what metadata
> structures are you using?" ... I can't think of how that would
> happen. I'm wondering if I've just misunderstood what it is you are
> looking for.
>
> . . . . . . Ken

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