We briefly gave some thought a few months back to having the TC chair
moderate the public-comment lists, and as a chair, I understand how
that can be a time consuming task, so perhaps we could authorize TC
list co-moderator where it would be possible to swap the task, such
as one week on/one week off?
Rex
At 9:48 AM -0400 9/5/03, Karl F. Best wrote:
>Rich:
>
>I don't have a problem with encouraging public input into the
>technical work of the TC. So in that sense I agree with what you've
>said. However, as you say in #2 below,
>
>> ... Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are
>> acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items
>> is not.
>
>How do we stop discussions from taking place? What mechanism can we
>put in place that allows input without discussion? You suggest
>
>> ... I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would
>> allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused
>> rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process.
>
>But that seems to imply a person (me?) acting as moderator to allow
>comments to be sent but to stop things when it looks like a
>discussion is starting up. The problem is, this takes a lot of time
>that I don't have. Nor does anyone else on OASIS staff have the time
>to act as moderator for any of our 200+ lists.
>
>I'm open to suggestions that I can pass on to the Board for refining
>the Process.
>
>-Karl
>
>
>
>
>Rich Thompson wrote:
>>
>>I see. I would be concerned that this may be a case of "throwing
>>out the baby with the bath water". I say that not because the WSRP
>>comment list has been heavily used (I'm sure I received more
>>private emails asking questions as the spec editor than the comment
>>list did), but rather because I see utility to having two distinct
>>discussion forums:
>>
>>1. Expert oriented - only TC members may post to this list and its
>>primary purpose is to hold discussions on the technical issues
>>before the TC.
>>
>>2. Public oriented - Any subscriber may post to this list and its
>>primary purpose is for comments and questions from the public on
>>the work of the TC. Responses that provide answers/ask for
>>clarification are acceptable, but technical discussions on the
>>merits of different items is not.
>>
>>Clearly the main TC and SC email lists provide the function of #1
>>and it sounds like many of us thought the comment list provided the
>>function of #2. Provided there is general agreement that this is
>>important functionality, I would rather see a mechanism put into
>>place that would allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list
>>that is being abused rather than throwing out the forum from the
>>overall process.
>>
>>Rich Thompson
>>OASIS WSRP TC Chair
>>
>>
>>"Karl F. Best" <>
>>
>>09/05/2003 08:37 AM
>>Please respond to karl.best
>>
>>
>> To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
>> cc:
>> Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Yes, there have been TCs who have conducted technical discussions on the
>>comment lists. Under the guise of getting technical input from a broad
>>number of sources, they have actually reduced the incentive for people
>>to join the TC.
>>
>>-Karl
>>
>>
>>Rich Thompson wrote:
>> >
>> > So if I understand the design:
>> > - There will no longer be a -comment email list one can subscribe to
>> > - There will be a web form for submitting comments
>> > - These comments will be emailed to the chair and appended to a
>> > publically accessible archive
>> >
>> > This maintains accountability, but is a drop on the openness front.
>> > Still accountable because anyone can go search the -comment archive, but
>> > less open as many fewer will do that than who subscribe to the -comment
>> > lists today.
>> >
>> > I guess I would back up and question why it is a problem for the public
>> > email list to be a discussion forum. Have there been instances where
>> > this was distractive to the work of the TC or perhaps used
>> > inappropriately by some members of the public? Other reasons driving the
>> > change?
>> >
>> > Rich Thompson
>> > OASIS WSRP TC Chair
>> >
>> >
>> > "Karl F. Best" <>
>> >
>> > 09/04/2003 02:01 PM
>> > Please respond to karl.best
>> >
>> >
>> > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
>> > cc:
>> > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The submitted comment will be forwarded to the chair as well as put in
>> > the -comment archive. So there will still be the same accountability for
>> > the comments received.
>> >
>> > -Karl
>> >
>> >
>> > Rich Thompson wrote:
>> > >
>> > > One could always argue that the chair can forward the comment with a
>> > > reply to the TC mail list rather than a private response. I was more
>> > > concerned that this takes what was an open communication (posting to an
>> > > email list) and turns it into a private communication (email to the
>> > > chair). This seems to go against the open nature of OASIS.
>> > >
>> > > Rich Thompson
>> > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Drummond Reed" <>
>> > >
>> > > 09/04/2003 01:27 PM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > To: <>,
>><>
>> > > cc: "Gabe Wachob (E-mail)" <>
>> > > Subject: RE: [chairs] public comment web form
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Karl,
>> > >
>> > > I agree with Lauren. At least a limited form of public discussion seems
>> > > like a valuable portion of what OASIS provides. What was the board's
>> > > thinking on this?
>> > >
>> > > =Drummond
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Lauren Wood [mailto:]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:02 AM
>> > > To:
>> > > Subject: [chairs] public comment web form
>> > >
>> > > Karl wrote:
>> > >
>> > > * The TC's public comment list is replaced with a "means to collect
>> > > public comments", which will be a web form. (This is to prevent the
>> > > comment list from being used as a discussion list.) Comments
>> > > collected by the web form will go to the chairs. I'm having the web
>> > > forms built now and will announce to the comment lists when this
>> > > change will take place. > >
>> > >
>> > > Karl,
>> > >
>> > > how do we then ask clarifying questions, or make quick replies (along
>> > > the lines of "see section 2.1. in the spec - isn't that clear
>> > > enough?"
>> > >
>> > > I can understand not wanting full discussions, but we often do need
>> > > clarifying discussions to know what the comment provider really
>> > > meant. And I'd rather not have that take place in private email.
>> > >
>> > > Lauren
>> > >
>> > > ---
>> > > Lauren Wood, Textuality
>> > > Chair, ER TC
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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