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----- Forwarded by Rich
Thompson/Watson/IBM on 09/05/2003 10:09 AM -----
Rich Thompson
09/05/2003 10:08 AM
To:
cc:
From:
Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
Subject:
Re: [chairs] public comment web formLink
I would suggest that the public lists
are not normally moderated, but that moving a list to a moderated status
is the means of reigning in abuse. Essentially this becomes a slap on the
wrists for TCs and chairs that tolerate or encourage such abuse.
Rich Thompson
OASIS WSRP TC Chair
"Karl F. Best" <>
09/05/2003 09:48 AM
Please respond to karl.best
To:
Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
cc:
Subject:
Re: [chairs] public comment web form
Rich:
I don't have a problem with encouraging public input into the technical
work of the TC. So in that sense I agree with what you've said. However,
as you say in #2 below,
> ... Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are
> acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different
items
> is not.
How do we stop discussions from taking place? What mechanism can we put
in place that allows input without discussion? You suggest
> ... I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would
> allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused
> rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process.
But that seems to imply a person (me?) acting as moderator to allow
comments to be sent but to stop things when it looks like a discussion
is starting up. The problem is, this takes a lot of time that I don't
have. Nor does anyone else on OASIS staff have the time to act as
moderator for any of our 200+ lists.
I'm open to suggestions that I can pass on to the Board for refining the
Process.
-Karl
Rich Thompson wrote:
>
> I see. I would be concerned that this may be a case of "throwing
out the
> baby with the bath water". I say that not because the WSRP comment
list
> has been heavily used (I'm sure I received more private emails asking
> questions as the spec editor than the comment list did), but rather
> because I see utility to having two distinct discussion forums:
>
> 1. Expert oriented - only TC members may post to this list and its
> primary purpose is to hold discussions on the technical issues before
> the TC.
>
> 2. Public oriented - Any subscriber may post to this list and its
> primary purpose is for comments and questions from the public on the
> work of the TC. Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification
are
> acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items
> is not.
>
> Clearly the main TC and SC email lists provide the function of #1
and it
> sounds like many of us thought the comment list provided the function
of
> #2. Provided there is general agreement that this is important
> functionality, I would rather see a mechanism put into place that
would
> allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused
> rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process.
>
> Rich Thompson
> OASIS WSRP TC Chair
>
>
> "Karl F. Best" <>
>
> 09/05/2003 08:37 AM
> Please respond to karl.best
>
>
> To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> cc:
> Subject: Re:
[chairs] public comment web form
>
>
>
>
> Yes, there have been TCs who have conducted technical discussions
on the
> comment lists. Under the guise of getting technical input from a broad
> number of sources, they have actually reduced the incentive for people
> to join the TC.
>
> -Karl
>
>
> Rich Thompson wrote:
> >
> > So if I understand the design:
> > - There will no longer be a -comment email list one
can subscribe to
> > - There will be a web form for submitting comments
> > - These comments will be emailed to the chair and
appended to a
> > publically accessible archive
> >
> > This maintains accountability, but is a drop on the openness
front.
> > Still accountable because anyone can go search the -comment
archive, but
> > less open as many fewer will do that than who subscribe
to the -comment
> > lists today.
> >
> > I guess I would back up and question why it is a problem
for the public
> > email list to be a discussion forum. Have there been instances
where
> > this was distractive to the work of the TC or perhaps used
> > inappropriately by some members of the public? Other reasons
driving the
> > change?
> >
> > Rich Thompson
> > OASIS WSRP TC Chair
> >
> >
> > "Karl F. Best" <>
> >
> > 09/04/2003 02:01 PM
> > Please respond to karl.best
> >
> >
> > To: Rich
Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> > cc:
> > Subject:
Re: [chairs] public comment web form
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The submitted comment will be forwarded to the chair as
well as put in
> > the -comment archive. So there will still be the same accountability
for
> > the comments received.
> >
> > -Karl
> >
> >
> > Rich Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > One could always argue that the chair can forward
the comment with a
> > > reply to the TC mail list rather than a private
response. I was more
> > > concerned that this takes what was an open communication
(posting
> to an
> > > email list) and turns it into a private communication
(email to the
> > > chair). This seems to go against the open nature
of OASIS.
> > >
> > > Rich Thompson
> > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair
> > >
> > >
> > > "Drummond Reed" <>
> > >
> > > 09/04/2003 01:27 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > To:
<>,
> <>
> > > cc:
"Gabe Wachob (E-mail)" <>
> > > Subject:
RE: [chairs] public comment web form
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Karl,
> > >
> > > I agree with Lauren. At least a limited form
of public discussion
> seems
> > > like a valuable portion of what OASIS provides.
What was the board's
> > > thinking on this?
> > >
> > > =Drummond
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lauren Wood [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:02 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: [chairs] public comment web form
> > >
> > > Karl wrote:
> > >
> > > * The TC's public comment list is replaced with
a "means to collect
> > > public comments", which will be a web form.
(This is to prevent the
> > > comment list from being used as a discussion
list.) Comments
> > > collected by the web form will go to the chairs.
I'm having the web
> > > forms built now and will announce to the
comment lists when this
> > > change will take place.
> > >
> > >
> > > Karl,
> > >
> > > how do we then ask clarifying questions, or
make quick replies (along
> > > the lines of "see section 2.1. in the spec
- isn't that clear
> > > enough?"
> > >
> > > I can understand not wanting full discussions,
but we often do need
> > > clarifying discussions to know what the comment
provider really
> > > meant. And I'd rather not have that take place
in private email.
> > >
> > > Lauren
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Lauren Wood, Textuality
> > > Chair, ER TC
> > >
> > >
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