Who should the moderator be?
-Karl
Rich Thompson wrote:
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> Sorry, just noticed I had hit reply rather than reply all ....
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> Rich Thompson
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> 09/05/2003 10:08 AM
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> To:
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> From: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web formLink
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> I would suggest that the public lists are not normally moderated, but
> that moving a list to a moderated status is the means of reigning in
> abuse. Essentially this becomes a slap on the wrists for TCs and chairs
> that tolerate or encourage such abuse.
>
> Rich Thompson
> OASIS WSRP TC Chair
>
>
> "Karl F. Best" <>
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> 09/05/2003 09:48 AM
> Please respond to karl.best
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> To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form
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> Rich:
>
> I don't have a problem with encouraging public input into the technical
> work of the TC. So in that sense I agree with what you've said. However,
> as you say in #2 below,
>
> > ... Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are
> > acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items
> > is not.
>
> How do we stop discussions from taking place? What mechanism can we put
> in place that allows input without discussion? You suggest
>
> > ... I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would
> > allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused
> > rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process.
>
> But that seems to imply a person (me?) acting as moderator to allow
> comments to be sent but to stop things when it looks like a discussion
> is starting up. The problem is, this takes a lot of time that I don't
> have. Nor does anyone else on OASIS staff have the time to act as
> moderator for any of our 200+ lists.
>
> I'm open to suggestions that I can pass on to the Board for refining the
> Process.
>
> -Karl
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> Rich Thompson wrote:
> >
> > I see. I would be concerned that this may be a case of "throwing out the
> > baby with the bath water". I say that not because the WSRP comment list
> > has been heavily used (I'm sure I received more private emails asking
> > questions as the spec editor than the comment list did), but rather
> > because I see utility to having two distinct discussion forums:
> >
> > 1. Expert oriented - only TC members may post to this list and its
> > primary purpose is to hold discussions on the technical issues before
> > the TC.
> >
> > 2. Public oriented - Any subscriber may post to this list and its
> > primary purpose is for comments and questions from the public on the
> > work of the TC. Responses that provide answers/ask for clarification are
> > acceptable, but technical discussions on the merits of different items
> > is not.
> >
> > Clearly the main TC and SC email lists provide the function of #1 and it
> > sounds like many of us thought the comment list provided the function of
> > #2. Provided there is general agreement that this is important
> > functionality, I would rather see a mechanism put into place that would
> > allow OASIS TC Admin to moderate a comment list that is being abused
> > rather than throwing out the forum from the overall process.
> >
> > Rich Thompson
> > OASIS WSRP TC Chair
> >
> >
> > "Karl F. Best" <>
> >
> > 09/05/2003 08:37 AM
> > Please respond to karl.best
> >
> >
> > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> > cc:
> > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, there have been TCs who have conducted technical discussions on the
> > comment lists. Under the guise of getting technical input from a broad
> > number of sources, they have actually reduced the incentive for people
> > to join the TC.
> >
> > -Karl
> >
> >
> > Rich Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > So if I understand the design:
> > > - There will no longer be a -comment email list one can subscribe to
> > > - There will be a web form for submitting comments
> > > - These comments will be emailed to the chair and appended to a
> > > publically accessible archive
> > >
> > > This maintains accountability, but is a drop on the openness front.
> > > Still accountable because anyone can go search the -comment
> archive, but
> > > less open as many fewer will do that than who subscribe to the
> -comment
> > > lists today.
> > >
> > > I guess I would back up and question why it is a problem for the
> public
> > > email list to be a discussion forum. Have there been instances where
> > > this was distractive to the work of the TC or perhaps used
> > > inappropriately by some members of the public? Other reasons
> driving the
> > > change?
> > >
> > > Rich Thompson
> > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair
> > >
> > >
> > > "Karl F. Best" <>
> > >
> > > 09/04/2003 02:01 PM
> > > Please respond to karl.best
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS
> > > cc:
> > > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The submitted comment will be forwarded to the chair as well as put in
> > > the -comment archive. So there will still be the same
> accountability for
> > > the comments received.
> > >
> > > -Karl
> > >
> > >
> > > Rich Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One could always argue that the chair can forward the comment
> with a
> > > > reply to the TC mail list rather than a private response. I was
> more
> > > > concerned that this takes what was an open communication (posting
> > to an
> > > > email list) and turns it into a private communication (email to the
> > > > chair). This seems to go against the open nature of OASIS.
> > > >
> > > > Rich Thompson
> > > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Drummond Reed" <>
> > > >
> > > > 09/04/2003 01:27 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: <>,
> > <>
> > > > cc: "Gabe Wachob (E-mail)" <>
> > > > Subject: RE: [chairs] public comment web form
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Karl,
> > > >
> > > > I agree with Lauren. At least a limited form of public discussion
> > seems
> > > > like a valuable portion of what OASIS provides. What was the
> board's
> > > > thinking on this?
> > > >
> > > > =Drummond
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lauren Wood [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:02 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: [chairs] public comment web form
> > > >
> > > > Karl wrote:
> > > >
> > > > * The TC's public comment list is replaced with a "means to collect
> > > > public comments", which will be a web form. (This is to prevent the
> > > > comment list from being used as a discussion list.) Comments
> > > > collected by the web form will go to the chairs. I'm having the web
> > > > forms built now and will announce to the comment lists when this
> > > > change will take place.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Karl,
> > > >
> > > > how do we then ask clarifying questions, or make quick replies
> (along
> > > > the lines of "see section 2.1. in the spec - isn't that clear
> > > > enough?"
> > > >
> > > > I can understand not wanting full discussions, but we often do need
> > > > clarifying discussions to know what the comment provider really
> > > > meant. And I'd rather not have that take place in private email.
> > > >
> > > > Lauren
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Lauren Wood, Textuality
> > > > Chair, ER TC
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