Draft Minutes from 2011-02-15 attached

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Title: SCA-Assembly - 2011-02-15


   
   
      
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         - DRAFT -
         Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference
         15 FEB 2011
         Attendees

Present

Eric WellsHitachi, Ltd.Group Member

Bryan AupperleIBMGroup Member
 

David BoozIBMGroup Member
 

Mike EdwardsIBMGroup Member
 

Simon HoldsworthIBMGroup Member
 

Diane JordanIBMGroup Member
 

Mike KaiserIBMGroup Member
 

Jeff EstefanJet Propulsion Laboratory:*Group Member
 

Martin ChapmanOracle CorporationGroup Member
 

Anish KarmarkarOracle CorporationGroup Member
 

Rich LevinsonOracle CorporationGroup Member
 

Ashok MalhotraOracle CorporationGroup Member
 

Sanjay PatilSAP AG*Group Member
 

Plamen PavlovSAP AG*Group Member
 

Eric JohnsonTIBCO Software Inc.Group Member
 

Danny van der RijnTIBCO Software Inc.Group Member
 

         Chairs
         
            

               Martin Chapman
               
               
            

            

               Mike Edwards
               
               
            

         
         Scribe
         
            

               Eric Wells
               
               
            

         
         Agenda:1. Intro 

Roll call 
Scribe confirmation 
Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting 

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41082/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-02-08.html 

3. Action Items 

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227 
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
         in wsra 

4. TC Administrivia 

a) Assembly CSD07 status 

5. Open Issues (1.1) 

None 

6. New Issues (1.2) 

7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2) 

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239 

Alternate proposals: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html 

ASSEMBLY-253: Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253 

Latest discussion: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00056.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00055.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00054.html 

ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250 

Proposal in JIRA 
Follow on discussion from previous meeting 

Latest discussion: 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00041.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00030.html 

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227 

Proposal 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc 

Latest discussions: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html 

ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235 

Latest discussion: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00030.html 

ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233 

No Proposal 

ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable? 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243 

No proposal 

ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244 

Outline proposal in JIRA 

ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245 

Proposal in JIRA 

ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246 

Proposal in JIRA 

ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes? 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247 

No proposal 

ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248 

No proposal 

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         Contents
         
            Topics 
            
            [1] 
               Opening
            
            [2] 
               Action Items
            
            [3] 
               Administrivia
            
            [4] 
               New Issues
            
            [5] 
               Open Issues 1.2
            
            [6] 
               ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239 

Alternate proposals: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html
            [7] 
               AOB
            
            Table of Resolutions
            Table of Action Items
         
      

      
      

         Action Items
         
            Pending:
            id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
            
            id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra
            
         
      

      
      

         Resolutions
         
            
2011-02-15-1: Minutes of 2011-02-08 approved w/o
            

         
      

      
      

         Minutes
         

            
 Scribe: Eric Wells

         

         

            Opening
         

         

            

            
Roll call - 12/18 = 66% Quorate - OK For new issues

         

         

            

            
Agenda

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Discussion of Exit Criteria added to  Administrivia

         

         

            
BryanA:

            
What about new issues rasied today?

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Too much to discuss already today - not added

         

         

            

            
Minutes of 2011-02-08

         

         

            

            
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41082/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-02-08.html

         

         

            

            
No comments or objections

         

         
Resolution: Minutes of 2011-02-08 approved w/o
         

         

            Action Items
         

         
 Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227 
         

         
 Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained
            in wsra
         

         

            

            
No change in status

         

         

            Administrivia
         

         

            

            
a) Assembly CSD07 status

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Have heard nothing from OASIS Admin - will need to chase

         

         

            

            
b) Exit Criteria

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
There has been no discussion of exit criteria

         

         

            
EricW:

            
Do we need to distinguish between 1.1 and 1.2?

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Up to the TC, but we need to have the discussion

         

         

            New Issues
         

         

            

            
Not included in agena - no discussion

         

         

            Open Issues 1.2
         

         

            ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition 
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239 

Alternate proposals: 
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html
         

         

            

            
Noted EricJ for roll

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
Review's his proposal

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Probably need a directional statement at moment then prepare final proposal

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
Element (current name) is used in two places - will need new element for local

         

         

            
BryanA:

            
TC had previously agreed to change ##any

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
This (substitution group) needs to be corectly handled

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Some (Java) products define event types and filters in terms of Java classes

         

         

            
 

            
...favors PeterN's implementation

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
Can't distinguish between extention parts that are optional/mandatory - no Global "MustUnderstand"

         

         

            
 <Mike Edwards> 

            
the "one of something" point that Eric makes does not apply to bindings, I note

         

         

            
 <Mike Edwards> 

            
I can have a <reference/> containing both a <binidng.ws/> and a <binding.jms/>

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
Don't this this applies as that's only the case for "one or more" not for "zero or more"

         

         

            
 <anish> 

            
mike, i agree, that is why i'm in the Q

         

         

            
 <Bryan Aupperle> 

            
Only reason that we do not have a eventTypes.java yet is that the Java-TC is too swamped with 1.1 work and has not done anything
               on 1.2 so far.
            

         

         

            

            
Detailed discussion on how this relates to bindings

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Can we make a decision or more discussion?

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Also XPath1, XPath2 is part of element name - should this be an attribute no part of name?

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
This made some things more difficult

         

         

            
EricW:

            
We did discuss this in detail some time ago, but I can't recall when exactly

         

         

            
 

            
...decided(?) to include in name

         

         
Motion: Resolve ASSEMBLY-239 in direction of using Substitution groups (as per PeterN's) E-mail m=BryanA s=AshokM
         

         

            

            
Reference to PeterN's E-mail

         

         

            

            
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
Naming of element is separate from use of substitution groups

         

         

            
MikeE:

            
Only directional at present - we could consider details like names later

         

         

            
 

            
...or modify motion

         

         

            
DannyV:

            
Propose ammendment to restrict direction to ONLY substitution group part of proposal

         

         
Amendment: Restrict direction of proposal for ASSEMBLY-239 to use of substitution groups only m=DannyV s=EricJ
         

         

            
 <MartinC> 

            
this is directional, so the details e.g. names are open to discussion

         

         

            

            
Some discussion of what amendment means

         

         

            
 <Ashok (Oracle)> 

            
+1 to Bryan

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
Basically just restrict consideration to parts of original E-mail that addresses substitution groups ONLY - nothing else

         

         

            

            
FIVE MINUTES!

         

         

            
EricJ:

            
Don't want to have to reorganize document and require a super majority to change later

         

         

            

            
TWO MINUTES

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
Call the question on the amendment

         

         

            

            
No objection to amendment?

         

         

            

            
None heard

         

         

            
AnishK:

            
Call the question on main motion

         

         

            

            
One Minute OVER

         

         

            

            
Time Expired - motion dies

         

         

            AOB
         

         

            

            
Straggler Roll

         

         

            

            
DannyV EricJ AnishK

         

         

            

            
COB 9:03AM PST

         

         

            

            
Roll is at: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/events.php?day=1297767600

         

      

      

         
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