Simon,
Thanks for laying out the events and the timelines.
One comment: reference [5] is missing a link.
-Anish
--
Simon Nash wrote:
> Dave,
> Here is a suggested reply to Eduardo's email. The first paragraph
> is written as from me. I'm happy to send this to Eduardo to maintain
> continuity from the original suspended appeal. I'm also happy for you
> to send it (with the first paragraph suitably reworded) if you prefer.
>
> To all individuals named on copy: Please send any comments. If you no
> longer wish to be part of this appeal, please let me and Dave know.
>
> To other sca-j TC members: If anyone else wishes to join this appeal,
> or if you have any comments, please let me and Dave know.
>
> Simon
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> To: Eduardo Gutentag
> cc:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave and I have spoken about whether or not this appeal should be
> considered as a new appeal or a continuation of the previous one
> that I initiated and agreed to suspend. We have also consulted the
> other appellants. It is the wish of the appellants that this appeal
> be treated as a continuation/resumption of the previous appeal.
> Apologies that our previous email was not clear about this.
>
> Accordingly I am copying this email to all the people who were part
> of the previous appeal, as well as three other people (Mike Edwards,
> Bryan Aupperle and Pradeep Simha) who wish to add their support for
> this appeal. Please advise whether or not it is possible for new
> appellants to be added to an appeal that is already in progress.
>
> You are correct that there is relevant history after April 24 which
> was inadvertently omitted from the previous email. To summarize, the
> interactions so far on the subject have been as follows:
>
> a) Agreement by OASIS TC Admin to use org.osoa as requested by the TC
> (ref. [1]).
>
> b) Objection by OASIS TC Admin to org.osoa on various grounds, one of
> which was that the osoa.org domain is not owned by OASIS. Decision
> by OASIS TC Admin to change from org.osoa to org.oasis_open (ref. [2]).
>
> c) Initiation of appeal against the decision to use org.oasis_open as
> the package name prefix (ref. [3]).
>
> d) Discussions between the appellants and OASIS TC Admin on alternative
> prefixes, including the issue of whether or not it is important for
> the domain to be owned by OASIS (ref. [4]).
>
> e) Agreement to suspend the appeal until completion of these discussions
> (ref. [5]).
>
> f) sca-j TC decision to support the use of the package prefix
> org.oasisopen,
> assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS (ref. [6]).
>
> g) OASIS TC Admin acknowledges this and passes it on to the OASIS IT
> department (ref. [7]).
>
> h) Decision from OASIS TC Admin to require the use of org.oasisopen
> without OASIS acquiring the oasisopen.org domain (ref. [8]).
>
> i) Note from Dave Booz reopening the appeal (ref. [9]).
>
> The appeal is reopened on the following grounds:
>
> Technical:
>
> 1. Contradictory OASIS TC Admin positions on the need for domain ownership
> between a) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject
> org.osoa,
> d) in which lack of domain ownership was used to reject org.oasis,
> and h)
> in which lack of domain ownership was stated to not be an issue. A
> clear
> and consistent OASIS position on domain ownership that follows Java
> conventions and industry best practice is needed.
>
> 2. Using a package prefix without owning the corresponding domain does not
> follow Java conventions and industry best practice. Section 7.7 of the
> Java Language Specification says: "You form a unique package name by
> first
> having (or belonging to an organization that has) an Internet domain
> name,
> such as sun.com. You then reverse this name, component by component,
> to obtain, in this example, com.sun, and use this as a prefix for your
> package names, using a convention developed within your organization
> to further administer package names."
>
> Procedural:
>
> 3. The earlier appeal was suspended pending completion of discussions
> between OASIS TC Admin and the sca-j TC, but OASIS TC Admin did not
> complete those discussions. Instead OASIS TC Admin issued a new
> decision h) that they knew to be contrary to the TC's position as
> expressed in f), and did not engage in any consultation or discussion
> with the TC before issuing that decision.
>
> Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Michael Rowley Active Endpoints OASIS SCA BPEL TC Voting Member
> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
> Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>
> [1]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
>
> [2]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
>
> [3]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html
>
> [4]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00003.html
>
> [5] Simon Nash email to Eduardo Gutentag, 5/8/08
> [6]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/28356/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-05-15.doc
>
> [7]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200805/msg00043.html
>
> [8]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html
>
> [9]
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00096.html
>
>
> Eduardo Gutentag wrote:
>> To the SCA-J TC:
>>
>> In accordance with Section 4.2 of the TC Process Document
>> (http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/process.php#appeals),
>> and before the deadline stipulated in that Section, I hereby
>> acknowledge receipt of the appeal included below, and I inform the
>> TC of such appeal.
>>
>> To the appellants:
>>
>> I must also express deep confusion, as the "detail" section of
>> the Procedural part of the appeal stops short (April 24) without
>> acknowledging the fact that there was a long thread after that date,
>> which included the initiation of a formal appeal (May 2) and its
>> subsequent suspension (may 8)[1]. Apart from the fact that this does
>> not meet in its entirety the requirement that "Previous efforts to
>> resolve the objection(s) and the outcome of each shall be noted.",
>> I am not clear as to the relationship between the current appeal and
>> the previous one. The previous one was suspended, not terminated,
>> so one could think of this as a request to restart it; however,
>> since the list of appellants in this case is not completely the same
>> as the list of appellants in the previous case, I am assuming, until
>> and unless I am told I am wrong, that this is a different appeal.
>>
>> I am enclosing a couple of relevant email messages, in whose cc
>> list many of the current appellants (but not all) were included.
>>
>> Please be aware that until such time as the appeal may be resolved
>> in favor of the appellants, the decisions taken by TC Administration
>> are valid and binding.
>>
>> [1] Because of the very short interval between initiation and
>> suspension, there was no opportunity for me at that time to inform
>> either the TC or the Board of such an appeal.
>>
>>
>> On 11/26/2008 06:50 AM, David Booz wrote:
>>> Please excuse the second email. There is a typo in the (Proposed
>>> Resolution)
>>>
>>> Any references to openoasis.org are incorrect and should be
>>> oasisopen.org.
>>>
>>> Sorry for any confusion.
>>>
>>> Dave Booz
>>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>>> e-mail:
>>> ----- Forwarded by David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM on 11/26/2008 09:47 AM
>>> -----
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM
>>>
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Cc: , ,
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: 11/26/2008 08:10 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Appealing TC Admin decision on Java package names
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
>>> the decision by TC Admin attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
>>> being submitted by
>>> individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by the OASIS TC Process.
>>> In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its backing to this appeal
>>> by a unanimous vote.
>>>
>>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>>
>>> TECHNICAL
>>>
>>> (Summary)
>>>
>>> The proposed package name prefix must be controlled by OASIS.
>>>
>>> (Detail)
>>>
>>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>>
>>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix from
>>> "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled by
>>> OASIS.
>>> 2. The need for OASIS to be able to control the proposed package name
>>> prefix of "org.oasisopen".
>>>
>>> (Proposed Resolution)
>>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
>>> discussed this and voted [2] not to accept the proposed package name
>>> prefix of "org.oasisopen" if it is not controlled by OASIS. If OASIS is
>>> unable or unwilling to obtain the use of the "openoasis.org" domain,
>>> then the SCA-J TC would rather retain the use of the package name prefix
>>> "org.osoa".
>>>
>>> PROCEDURAL
>>>
>>> (Summary)
>>>
>>> Part 2 of the decision is a reversal of the earlier decision which
>>> occurred without consultation with the SCA-J TC.
>>>
>>> (Detail)
>>>
>>> This issue was raised with TC-Admin on March 2 (ref. [3]). TC-Admin
>>> sent a decision on March 7 (ref.[4]) On March 10 TC-Admin asked us to
>>> hold off from implementing the decision and said might be a couple of
>>> questions to be answered (ref. [5]).
>>>
>>> Simon Nash (chair at the time) replied to TC-Admin on March 10 (ref.
>>> [6]) inviting her or other OASIS staff involved in the decision to
>>> discuss this matter with the SCA-J TC. TC-Admin did not respond. On
>>> March 25, Simon sent another email (ref. [7]) repeating my invitation to
>>> discuss this with the TC. Again, TC-Admin did not respond.
>>>
>>> On April 3 TC-Admin sent a response (ref. [8]) with a decision that
>>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
>>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite two
>>> invitations to have this discussion. TC-Admin also indicated that the
>>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
>>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>>
>>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>>> stated above.
>>>
>>> On April 24 Simon sent TC-Admin an email informing her of this (ref.
>>> [9]), with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. TC-Admin
>>> acknowledged the email (ref. [10]) and indicate a reply in a few days.
>>> TC-Admin's formal response came on Nov 5 (ref. [1]).
>>>
>>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
>>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>>> through dialogue,
>>> despite all efforts to do this. The acceptable resolutions are
>>> summarized in the (Proposed Resolution) above.
>>>
>>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>>
>>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>> Mark Combellack Avaya OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>>> Simon Nash Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>> Jim Marino Individual OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>> Mike Edwards IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>> Bryan Aupperle IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>> Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software Inc OASIS SCA-J TC Voting
>>> Member
>>>
>>> REFERENCES
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200811/msg00017.html
>>>
>>> [2]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/30068/SCA%20Java%20Face%20to%20Face%20Minutes%202008-11-11%20to%202008-11-13.doc
>>>
>>> [3]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
>>>
>>> [4]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
>>>
>>> [5]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
>>>
>>> [6]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
>>>
>>> [7]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
>>>
>>> [8]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
>>>
>>> [9]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
>>>
>>> [10]
>>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Booz
>>> STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>>> Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>>> "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>>> Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>>> e-mail:
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 2 May 2008 17:58:05 +0100
>> To:
>>
>>
>> To:
>>
>> CC:
>> , , ,
>> , , ,
>> , ,
>>
>>
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by
>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be
>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order
>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would
>> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to
>> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS
>> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J
>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref.
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my
>> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]),
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in
>> a few days. She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
>>
>> [2]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
>>
>> [3]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
>>
>> [4]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
>>
>> [5]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
>>
>> [6]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
>>
>> [7]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html
>>
>> [8]
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> /
>> /
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 2 May 2008 20:12:27 +0100
>> To:
>> <>
>>
>> To:
>> <>
>> CC:
>> , ,
>> , , ,
>> , Mary McRae <>,
>> , ,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the
>> domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix
>> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would
>> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem
>> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other.
>>
>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently
>> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is
>> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In
>> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf
>> of the TC.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <>
>>
>> 02/05/2008 19:49
>> Please respond to
>> <>
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <>
>> cc
>> <>, <>, <>,
>> <>, <>,
>> <>, <>, <>
>> Subject
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been
>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and
>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike
>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use
>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all
>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit
>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be
>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e.
>> org.oasisopen.csa.
>> Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this
>> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
>> To:* *
>> Cc:* ; ; ;
>> ; ; ;
>> ; ; *
>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by
>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be
>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order
>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would
>> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to
>> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS
>> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J
>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref.
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my
>> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]),
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in
>> a few days. She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_
>>
>> [2]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_
>>
>> [3]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_
>>
>> [4]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_
>>
>> [5]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_
>>
>> [6]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_
>>
>> [7]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_
>>
>> [8]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> /
>> /
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <>
>> Date:
>> Mon, 5 May 2008 22:02:15 +0100
>> To:
>> <>
>>
>> To:
>> <>
>> CC:
>> , ,
>> , , ,
>> , "'Mary McRae'" <>,
>> , ,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> Thanks for the clarification. I understand the distinction and I will
>> put this on the agenda for this week's SCA-J TC call.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <>
>>
>> 03/05/2008 17:27
>> Please respond to
>> <>
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>> cc
>> <>, <>,
>> <>, <>,
>> <>, <>, "'Mary McRae'"
>> <>, <>, <>,
>> <>
>> Subject
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes – oasisopen.org appears to be owned by someone just sitting on the
>> domain – if it’s agreeable we can look into what it would take to
>> purchase it if that’s absolutely required. Conversely, oasis.org is a
>> live site – a gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM*
>> To:* *
>> Cc:* ; ;
>> ; ; ;
>> ; Mary McRae; ;
>> ; *
>> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> The domain oasisopen.org is already owned by someone else, as is the
>> domain oasis.org. If OASIS is willing to offer the prefix
>> org.oasisopen despite not having ownership of oasisopen.org, would
>> OASIS be willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem
>> inconsistent to offer one of these but not the other.
>>
>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the oasisj.org domain is currently
>> unowned and therefore available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is
>> not a constraint, my personal preference would be org.oasis. In
>> expressing this preference I am speaking for myself and not on behalf
>> of the TC.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <>
>>
>> 02/05/2008 19:49
>>
>>
>> Please respond to
>> <>
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <>
>> cc
>> <>, <>, <>,
>> <>, <>,
>> <>, <>, <>
>> Subject
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been
>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and
>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike
>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use
>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all
>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit
>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be
>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e.
>> org.oasisopen.csa.
>> Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this
>> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mary
>> *
>> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
>> To:* *
>> Cc:* ; ; ;
>> ; ; ;
>> ; ; *
>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by
>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be
>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order
>> to produce an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would
>> need to be derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed some options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to
>> OASIS as being suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS
>> acquires the corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J
>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref.
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my
>> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]),
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in
>> a few days. She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_
>>
>> [2]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_
>>
>> [3]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_
>>
>> [4]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_
>>
>> [5]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_
>>
>> [6]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_
>>
>> [7]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_
>>
>> [8]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> /
>> /
>>
>> /Unless stated otherwise above:
>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with
>> number 741598.
>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6
>> 3AU/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 8 May 2008 12:14:31 +0100
>> To:
>> Eduardo Gutentag <>
>>
>> To:
>> Eduardo Gutentag <>
>> CC:
>> , ,
>> , , ,
>> , , ,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The appellants would like this appeal to be put into abeyance until
>> the current round of discussions on this subject has completed.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *Eduardo Gutentag <>*
>>
>> 06/05/2008 15:42
>>
>>
>> To
>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>> cc
>> , ,
>> , , ,
>> , , ,
>>
>> Subject
>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It is in abeyance (that is, suspended) until one of three things
>> happen:
>>
>> a) the appellants withdraw their appeal, in which case it just goes
>> away
>>
>> b) the appellants re-instate their appeal, in which case the clock
>> starts ticking again
>>
>> c) the appellants change their original appeal into something else,
>> in which case the clock is reset to 00:00
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/06/2008 06:37 AM, Simon Nash wrote:
>> >
>> > Eduardo,
>> > A new proposal has been made by Mary and this is now under
>> discussion by
>> > the SCA-J TC. Please can you confirm where we now stand regarding the
>> > 30-day limit for appeals. Does the new thread of discussion
>> nullify the
>> > previous 30-day deadline and reset the 30-day clock? If it does,
>> then I
>> > would be OK with putting the appeal into abeyance until the current
>> > discussion thread has concluded.
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> > Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> > Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> > Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>> >
>> >
>> > *Eduardo Gutentag <>*
>> >
>> > 05/05/2008 22:17
>> >
>> > > To
>> > Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>> > cc
>> > , ,
>> ,
>> > , , ,
>> > , ,
>> > Subject
>> > Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package
>> names
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I hereby acknowledge receipt of this appeal.
>> >
>> > However, given what appears to be an active thread of
>> > negotiating messages back and forth between the appellants
>> > and OASIS TC Administration, I need to know whether the
>> > appeal still stands as is, or whether it should be put in
>> > abeyance until further notice one way or another from the
>> > appellants.
>> >
>> > I will proceed no further until I receive a clear message
>> > from the appellants specifying that the appeal stands exactly
>> > as originally sent.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 05/02/2008 09:58 AM, Simon Nash wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to
>> appeal
>> > > the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This
>> appeal is
>> > > being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as
>> required by
>> > > the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to
>> add its
>> > > backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>> > >
>> > > Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>> > >
>> > > TECHNICAL
>> > >
>> > > (Summary)
>> > >
>> > > The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming
>> > > conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be
>> liked by
>> > > Java developers.
>> > >
>> > > (Detail)
>> > >
>> > > The decision comes in two parts.
>> > >
>> > > 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name
>> prefix from
>> > > "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is
>> controlled by
>> > OASIS.
>> > > 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be
>> used by
>> > > the SCA-J TC.
>> > >
>> > > This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
>> > > discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name
>> prefix
>> > > of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>> > >
>> > > 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> > > naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in
>> package
>> > > names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>> > >
>> > > 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to
>> type.
>> > > When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say
>> "org dot
>> > > oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When
>> typing these
>> > > APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be
>> entered. Both
>> > > of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>> > >
>> > > 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
>> > > prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically,
>> package
>> > > names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA
>> package names
>> > > in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>> > >
>> > > The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
>> > > convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third
>> Edition,
>> > > section 7.7) to the "oasis-open.org" domain name. In order to
>> produce
>> > > an acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need
>> to be
>> > > derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some
>> > > options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as
>> being
>> > > suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires
>> the
>> > > corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>> > >
>> > > PROCEDURAL
>> > >
>> > > (Summary)
>> > >
>> > > This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the
>> earlier
>> > > decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC
>> despite
>> > > multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>> > >
>> > > (Detail)
>> > >
>> > > This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
>> > > decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold
>> off from
>> > > implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of
>> questions to
>> > > be answered (ref. [4]).
>> > >
>> > > I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other
>> OASIS
>> > > staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the
>> SCA-J TC.
>> > > She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref. [6])
>> > > repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she
>> did not
>> > > respond.
>> > >
>> > > On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
>> > > completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
>> > > consultation with the TC about this change to the decision,
>> despite my
>> > > two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated
>> that the
>> > > decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it
>> could
>> > > only be changed by formal appeal.
>> > >
>> > > This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>> > > stated above.
>> > >
>> > > On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref.
>> [7]), with
>> > > a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>> asking if
>> > > we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She
>> acknowledged the
>> > > email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in a few
>> days. She
>> > > has not done so.
>> > >
>> > > At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and
>> the TC
>> > > has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>> > > through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>> > >
>> > > We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal
>> appeal.
>> > >
>> > > Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> > > Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> > > Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> > > David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> > > Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> > > Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC
>> Voting Member
>> > > Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> > > Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC
>> Voting Member
>> > > Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > REFERENCES
>> > >
>> > > [1]
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > [2]
>> > >
>> > <
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > [3]
>> > >
>> >
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > [4]
>> > >
>> >
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > [5]
>> > >
>> >
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > [6]
>> > >
>> >
>> <http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > [7]
>> > >
>> >
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>> Subject:
>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>> From:
>> Simon Nash <>
>> Date:
>> Tue, 20 May 2008 14:41:45 +0100
>> To:
>>
>>
>> To:
>>
>> CC:
>> , ,
>> , , ,
>> , "Mary McRae" <>,
>> , ,
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> My apologies for the delay in getting back to you. The sca-j TC
>> discussed this at our last meeting and passed the following motion:
>>
>> "The sca-j TC supports the use of the package prefix org.oasisopen,
>> assuming that the oasisopen.org domain is acquired by OASIS."
>>
>> If this is acceptable to OASIS, please can you contact the current
>> owner of oasisopen.org and come back to us when you know whether it is
>> possible to agree terms for OASIS to acquire this domain.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <>*
>> Sent by:
>>
>> 20/05/2008 14:11
>> Please respond to
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB
>> cc
>> , ,
>> , , ,
>> , "Mary McRae" <>,
>> , ,
>> Subject
>> Re: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> Any update on this issue?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Mary McRae
>> <[email protected]_ <mailto:>> wrote:
>> Yes – _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> appears to be owned by
>> someone just sitting on the domain – if it's agreeable we can look
>> into what it would take to purchase it if that's absolutely required.
>> Conversely, _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/> is a live site – a
>> gift/trade show, which is not an acceptable solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Simon Nash [mailto:.com_ <mailto:>] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 3:12 PM*
>> To:* [email protected]_ <mailto:>*
>> Cc:* [email protected]_ <mailto:>;
>> [email protected]_ <mailto:>;
>> .com_ <mailto:>;
>> [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; Mary McRae; .com_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>
>>
>> *
>> Subject:* RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary,
>> The domain _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/> is already owned by
>> someone else, as is the domain _oasis.org_ <http://oasis.org/>. If
>> OASIS is willing to offer the prefix org.oasisopen despite not having
>> ownership of _oasisopen.org_ <http://oasisopen.org/>, would OASIS be
>> willing to offer the prefix org.oasis? It would seem inconsistent to
>> offer one of these but not the other.
>>
>> The TC proposed org.oasisj because the _oasisj.org_
>> <http://oasisj.org/> domain is currently unowned and therefore
>> available for acquisition by OASIS. If this is not a constraint, my
>> personal preference would be org.oasis. In expressing this preference
>> I am speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TC.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>> *"Mary McRae" <**[email protected]_*
>> <mailto:>*>*
>> Sent by: Mary McRae <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>
>>
>> 02/05/2008 19:49
>>
>>
>> Please respond to
>> <[email protected]_ <mailto:>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To
>> Simon Nash/UK/IBM@IBMGB, <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>
>> cc
>> <.com_ <mailto:>>, <.com_
>> <mailto:>>, <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>, <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>, <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>, <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>, <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>, <[email protected]_
>> <mailto:>>
>> Subject
>> RE: Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My apologies for not sending a formal response sooner – I have been
>> at the OASIS Symposium all week attending sessions and meetings and
>> literally just arrived home after a red-eye flight. I spoke with Mike
>> Edwards about this on Tuesday at the member reception. While the use
>> of the underscore is the recommended practice, we (OASIS staff) all
>> agree that underscores are thorny characters and would prefer to omit
>> them. I asked Mike if he thought simply dropping the hyphen would be
>> acceptable and he indicated that he thought it would – i.e.
>> org.oasisopen.csa.
>> Eduardo, in the role of interim President, has been part of this
>> conversation. If the above is acceptable to the TC, please acknowledge.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mary
>> *
>> From:* Simon Nash [mailto:.com_ <mailto:>] *
>> Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:58 PM*
>> To:* [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>*
>> Cc:* .com_ <mailto:>; .com_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_
>> <mailto:>; [email protected]_ <mailto:>;
>> [email protected]_ <mailto:>;
>> [email protected]_ <mailto:>*
>> Subject:* Appeal of the OASIS decision on SCA-J package names
>>
>>
>> The undersigned Eligible Members of the OASIS SCA-J TC wish to appeal
>> the decision by Mary McRae attached below (ref. [1]). This appeal is
>> being submitted by individual members of the SCA-J TC, as required by
>> the OASIS TC Process. In addition, the SCA-J TC has voted to add its
>> backing to this appeal by a majority of 9 to 1.
>>
>> Our grounds for this appeal are as follows.
>>
>> TECHNICAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions, is hard to say and hard to type, and would not be
>> liked by Java developers.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> The decision comes in two parts.
>>
>> 1. The need for the SCA Java APIs to change the package name prefix
>> from "org.osoa " to a different package name prefix that is controlled
>> by OASIS.
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix of "org.oasis_open" to be used by
>> the SCA-J TC.
>>
>> This appeal concerns the second part of the decision. The SCA-J TC
>> discussed this and voted not to accept the proposed package name
>> prefix of "org.oasis_open", for the following reasons:
>>
>> 1. The proposed package name prefix does not conform to normal Java
>> naming conventions. Specifically, the use of an underscore in package
>> names is highly unusual and unconventional.
>>
>> 2. The proposed package name prefix is hard to say and hard to type.
>> When talking about these APIs, it would be necessary to say "org dot
>> oasis underscore open dot sca dot ComponentContext". When typing
>> these APIs, the shifted character underscore would need to be
>> entered. Both of these are burdensome on SCA Java developers.
>>
>> 3. Precedents (as far as they exist) suggest that this package name
>> prefix would not be liked by Java developers. Specifically, package
>> names containing underscores have been used for some CORBA package
>> names in the JDK, and these have been the subject of user complaint.
>>
>> The "org.oasis_open" package name is the result of applying the
>> convention suggested in the Java Language Specification (Third
>> Edition, section 7.7) to the "_oasis-open.org_
>> <http://oasis-open.org/>" domain name. In order to produce an
>> acceptable package name, the Java package prefix would need to be
>> derived from some other domain name. The SCA-J TC discussed some
>> options and voted to recommend the org.oasisj prefix to OASIS as being
>> suitable and acceptable. This would require that OASIS acquires the
>> corresponding domain name, which is currently available.
>>
>> PROCEDURAL
>>
>> (Summary)
>>
>> This decision was a reversal of an earlier decision, and the earlier
>> decision was reversed without consultation with the SCA-J TC despite
>> multiple efforts by the TC to engage in dialogue.
>>
>> (Detail)
>>
>> This issue was raised with Mary on March 2 (ref. [2]). She sent a
>> decision on March 7 (ref.[3]) On March 10 she asked us to hold off
>> from implementing the decision and said she may have a couple of
>> questions to be answered (ref. [4]).
>>
>> I replied to Mary on March 10 (ref. [5]) inviting her or other OASIS
>> staff involved in the decision to discuss this matter with the SCA-J
>> TC. She did not respond. On March 25, I sent another email (ref.
>> [6]) repeating my invitation to discuss this with the TC. Again, she
>> did not respond.
>>
>> On April 3 she sent a response (ref. [1]) with a decision that
>> completely reversed the original decision. There had been no
>> consultation with the TC about this change to the decision, despite my
>> two invitations to have this discussion. She also indicated that the
>> decision was final (despite the lack of discussion) and that it could
>> only be changed by formal appeal.
>>
>> This decision was unacceptable to the TC for the technical reasons
>> stated above.
>>
>> On April 24 I sent Mary an email informing her of this (ref. [7]),
>> with a proposed resolution that would be acceptable to the TC, and
>> asking if we could resolve this without need for an appeal. She
>> acknowledged the email (ref. [8]) and said she would get back to us in
>> a few days. She has not done so.
>>
>> At this point we are up against the 30-day appeal deadline and the TC
>> has exhausted all attempts to reach a mutually agreeable resolution
>> through dialogue, despite all efforts to do this.
>>
>> We therefore feel we have no option but to initiate this formal appeal.
>>
>> Simon Nash IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Co-Chair
>> Michael Beisiegel IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> David Booz IBM OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Mark Combellack Avaya Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Jim Marino BEA Systems, Inc. OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Voting Member
>> Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation OASIS SCA-J TC Member
>>
>>
>> REFERENCES
>>
>> [1]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00007.html_
>>
>> [2]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00000.html_
>>
>> [3]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00022.html_
>>
>> [4]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00026.html_
>>
>> [5]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00027.html_
>>
>> [6]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200803/msg00060.html_
>>
>> [7]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00044.html_
>>
>> [8]
>> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/email/archives/200804/msg00045.html_
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon C. Nash, IBM Distinguished Engineer
>> Member of the IBM Academy of Technology
>> Tel. +44-1962-815156 Fax +44-1962-818999
>>
>>
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