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- From: "Winchel 'Todd' Vincent, III" <winchel@mindspring.com>
- To: xml-dev@xml.org
- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:22:35 -0400
More interesting information about Namespaces 1.0.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Boyer" <jboyer@PureEdge.com>
To: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" <dee3@torque.pothole.com>; "Gregor Karlinger"
<gregor.karlinger@iaik.at>
Cc: "XML" <w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Errors in the XML-Signature spec. examples (Namespace
defaulting for attributes)
> Hi Don and Gregor,
>
> Actually, there seems to be need for further consideration of Gregor's
> point. I agree, Don, that the namespace spec seems to imply in Section
5.2
> that attributes inherit namespace qualification from their parent element,
> but it does not come out and say it.
>
> Therefore, I kept reading and seem to have found a contradiction at the
end
> of Section 5.3. It gives an example of 'unique' attributes as follows
>
> <!-- http://www.w3.org is bound to n1 and is the default -->
> <x xmlns:n1="http://www.w3.org"
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org" >
> <good a="1" b="2" />
> <good a="1" n1:a="2" />
> </x>
>
> The spec says that the attributes in the second occurence of <good> is OK
> because default namespaces do not apply to attributes. So, even though
> <good> is in the default namespace and hence has the qualifier
> http://www.w3.org, this does not propagate down to qualify the attribute
a.
>
> By extension, the attribute href you mentioned in the example of Section
5.2
> is not namespace qualified by the HTML URL.
>
> Yikes!
>
> I will be posting this problem to XML names to ask for clarification.
>
> John Boyer
> Development Team Leader,
> Distributed Processing and XML
> PureEdge Solutions Inc.
> Creating Binding E-Commerce
> v: 250-479-8334, ext. 143 f: 250-479-3772
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-ietf-xmldsig-request@w3.org
> [mailto:w3c-ietf-xmldsig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Donald E. Eastlake
> 3rd
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 5:15 AM
> To: Gregor Karlinger
> Cc: XML
> Subject: Re: Errors in the XML-Signature spec. examples (Namespace
> defaulting for attributes)
>
>
>
> Is this really a problem? I thought that attributes without namespace
> prefixes were automatically considered within the context of the
> element where they occur. In effect, the namespace qualified name of
> the element is the default "namespace" for attributes of that element.
>
> Take the first exampe in section 5.2 of the Namespaces document which
> you point to. It has an <a> element using the default namespace of
> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40. This element has an href attribute.
> How are you supposed to understand what that attribute means unless
> you consider it to, in some sense, be in the "namespace" of the
> element where it occurs? I.E., that it is part of the "Per Element
> Partition" defined in section A.2 of the Namespaces document.
>
> In your example below, just saying "Id" is, in effect, saying
> "XMLSignature:Signature:Id" except that syntax is prohibited...
>
> Presumably this is the reason for the odd wording:
> "Note that default namespaces do not apply directly to attributes."
> --------
>
> Donald
>
> From: "Gregor Karlinger" <gregor.karlinger@iaik.at>
> To: "XML" <w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org>
> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:21:04 +0200
> Message-ID: <NDBBIMACDKCOPBLEJCCDMEHNCJAA.gregor.karlinger@iaik.at>
>
> >Hi Joseph & Merlin,
> >
> >while trying to verify Merlins signature examples with our
implementation,
> >I detected the following problem, which applies to Merlins examples as
> >well as to the examples in the XML-Signature specification in chapter 2.
> >
> >All the examples are constructed in the following way: A default
namespace
> >attribute is declared in the Signature element (see line [s01] in chapter
> >2.1),
> >which should apply to all descendants as well.
> >
> >The problem is, that a default namespace does not apply to descendant
> >attributes, but only descendant elements
> >(see http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#defaulting).
> >
> >I suggest to assign the XML-Signature namespace via a explicit namespace
> >attribute (line [s01] could look like
> >
> > <XMLSignature:Signature
> > XMLSignature:Id="MyFirstSignature"
> > xmlns:XMLSignature="http://www.w3.org/2000/07/xmldsig#">
> >
> >Regards, Gregor
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >Gregor Karlinger
> >mailto://gregor.karlinger@iaik.at
> >http://www.iaik.at
> >Phone +43 316 873 5541
> >Institute for Applied Information Processing and Communications
> >Austria
> >---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
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