xml-dev - Got the Point Perfectly ( Was: RE: Missing the Point (was: More Stupid X

["Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>]

I get the point.  The point was made here 
repeatedly and D.M. reiterates it:  too much 
hype from the XML camp fed expectations.  This 
hype was launched on the back of the HTML hype. 
Dvorak knows that.  He knows he doesn't like 
anything he can't tinker with.  He hated 
frames, he hates animation; he is a luddite 
with a podium.

As to your point...

There is no free lunch.  Thin out the client, 
the complexity moves to the servers.  Tie the 
server tightly to the client, it gets fat.  
Build rules in the business layer, and someone 
has to change them every time a new business 
process is initiated.  Complexity can't be 
scaled away.  It feeds into the system as 
signal and amplifies.

No matter how you do it, it is about names 
and structures and the means by which you 
organize these for a process, be it tranformation, 
presentation, searching, whatever.  The 
SGML community told you this plainly and 
clearly.  You told yourselves you were 
smarter than that.  You weren't.  Now you 
have systems that operate almost precisely 
the way they were described in the SGML 
papers 10 years ago and with all of the 
issues described then as well.  You have 
yourselves to thank for both the victory 
and the problems.  

But all in all, it works and it works 
very well.  It simply won't be something 
the average Joe Hacker or his mom can 
do and no one with any experience said 
it would be.  In fact, when you add enterprise 
engineeing (See BizTalk orchestration) on top 
of it, the requirements to set up an organization 
to run coherent communications are much harder.  
The results will be better but again, there 
is no free lunch.  The rent for all of the 
dollars, yen, and rupees poured into the 
last five years of speculative investment 
are coming due.  They can't wish away the 
task of understanding and neither can we.

Len 
clbullar@ingr.com
http://www.mp3.com/LenBullard

Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti.
Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h


-----Original Message-----
From: AndrewWatt2000@aol.com [mailto:AndrewWatt2000@aol.com]

You miss the point ... and it is a very important point ... that there has 
been and continues to be a failure to communicate what the XML family is and

does.