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Re: Place under sun (was: XPointer and Sun patent)
- From: Uche Ogbuji <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- To: James Clark <email@example.com>
- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:32:51 -0700 (MST)
> > CONCLUSION: The complete implementation of XSLT 1.0 using the platform
> > other than Java is not possible without the permission from Sun
> > Microsystems, Inc.
> I think you are mistaken. The facts are:
> 1. The JDK 1.1 specification describes a process to generate a string
> - a floating point number,
> - a format string, and
> - a collection of named parameters
> 2. The XSLT Rec requires you to implement this process.
> 3. The JDK 1.1 specification is copyrighted by Sun.
> However, implementing a process described by a copyrighted document does
> not require the permission of the copyright holder. That's what patents
> are all about: if the JDK number formatting was patented, there would be
> a problem. You would only violate Sun's copyright if you copied the
> (In the case of a Java interface, in order to implement the interface
> you need to create a .java file, which would arguably be a copy of part
> of the specification. No such situation arises with XSLT number
OK. I'll leave the legal issues to others. However, since one of the
XSLT editors has shown up on this thread, can I ask about the technical
issues? Why did the WG subjected non-Java implementors to this nonsense?
There are many more widely used and implemented methods of specifying
number formatting, such as *printf.
Why so much trouble to specify one sort of output formatting? If XSLT
wanted to concern itself with low-level string representational details,
why not have a general-purpose system for the task?
If it was to provide a crutch to Java's poor string manipulation and
formatting facilities, why was this not left to extennsion writers?
> Note that Microsoft has implemented format-number, which I doubt it
> would have done if its lawyers thought it needed permission from Sun to
> do so.
How nice for Microsoft. They have the developers to spare on an
pointless exercise. Not all of us do.
Uche Ogbuji Principal Consultant
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