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RE: [xml-dev] Microsoft's deeply cynical appeal to"standards compliance"

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments, the "standards compliance" line
here is indefensible, but all MSN are really doing here is taking a few
steps towards the web service approach that technologies like XML are
enabling and simply making their site pay-to-view. One way of side-stepping
open source's challenge, I suppose.

Cynical marketing? - I believe Frazier.NET is in the pipeline.

Danny Ayers

Alternate email (2001) :

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Edd Dumbill [mailto:edd@usefulinc.com]
>Sent: 25 October 2001 23:10
>Subject: [xml-dev] Microsoft's deeply cynical appeal to "standards
>Readers of this list may have come across this story:
>The story has appeared on Slashdot too, but there's a particularly
>invidious angle to it which is worth raising in this community.
>Basically, non-IE browsers are not being let into MSN.com.  Opera and
>Mozilla & derivatives are being shut out.  The Microsoft representative,
>Bob Visse, the director of MSN marketing, handwaves saying that the
>reason these browsers are locked out is because MSN either don't know
>that they "support W3C standards" or they can't insure the customer will
>get a "great experience."
>[[ "We do identify the string from the browser, and the only issue that
>we have is that the Opera browser doesn't support the latest XHTML
>standard," said Visse. "So we do suggest to those users that they go
>download a browser that does support the latest standards." ]]
>    (Incidentally, does anyone recall that IE6 has proper XHTML support,
>    I remember the Microsoft chap at WWW10 saying directly XHTML support
>    wouldn't make it into version 6).
>In fact, on my (Linux) Mozilla, I get a plain page telling me I need to
>get IE for Windows or Mac.  Umm, thanks.
>I'm pretty upset at them shutting out platforms they don't directly
>support (yes, I do use MSN.com from time to time), but I can almost cope
>with that (although hardly, considering all the cosy integration talk
>about .NET)
>What really rankles is using standards-compliance as an excuse.
>I appeal to those involved in W3C work to distance themselves from this
>perversion of standards to mask a plainly cynical corporate move, and to
>those on this list who do work for Microsoft to convey deep displeasure
>to those responsible.
>For anyone who thought Microsoft's commitment to web standards was a
>pure and gentle thing, think again.  I think I can safely predict we're
>nearly at the point where "standard" has lost its semantic value.
>-- Edd
>PS. This seems rather too resonant with some of the views I expressed it
>my recent XML.com editorial, already highlighted in this forum by Len
>and Simon.
>PPS. For a laugh, try: