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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>
To: "'Tim Bray'" <tbray@textuality.com>
Cc: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] ECMA Standardizes C#

> Yep, that is the sad side effect.  I have to admit
> it is a brilliant play by MS and defensible. Sun made
> that inevitable and because we have tried to use
> "standard" as a way to push more emphasis on the
> W3C and away from ISO et al, and not properly conveyed
> that a specification for a system to be built and
> tested could then become the basis for a standard for
> a system that works and does a well-spec'd job so
> evolves only when that job changes, we helped make
> all that possible.  That was the danger of emphasizing
> Internet Time as affecting a standard.   IMO, the
> idea of recommendations and specifications as the
> basis for the W3C was brilliant precisely because
> it accounts for the effects of the rapid communications
> and community-building we call Internet Time.
> All that aside, do you think the CLR notion has
> the technical merit that it deserves a second
> implementation?

Why not hear it from the horse's mouth (so to speak),


As for me, there are indeed technical merits to the CLI over the JVM
especially w.r.t versioning, cross-language support and loading multiple
versions of the same class at runtime (Assembies vs. class files)[0]. As for
superiority between the languages I think C# adds features that I'd like to
see in Java but the lack of one or two Java characteristics makes me pensive
about embracing it completely. Of course,  I've already written copious
amounts about my feelings about both languages[1]

[0] God, I hate Sun and whoever designed the JVM without thinking about
building in better support versioning.
[1] http://www.25hoursaday.com/CsharpVsJava.html

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pleasure of the hunt tend to do dumb things like even the odds to give the
other guy a sporting chance.

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