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   RE: [xml-dev] SOAP and the Web

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I'll stop lurking and make a technical point in favor of SOAP. Yes, I
have read the e-mail threads and the referenced articles. :-) I'm one of
the program managers at Microsoft that delivered the Microsoft SOAP

My technical argument is this: all that matters when using SOAP is XML
and all the power of XML can be leveraged when building applications
that use SOAP.

I can use the same programming model for doing simple "safe" things as I
do for doing complex "unsafe" things. That programming model allows me
to leverage Schema, XSLT, XQuery, XPath, etc.

Granted, this may not be what SOAP tends to be *today*. But SOAP, at
least, enables us get there someday.

  == Mike ==

Mike Deem
Program Manager
XML Technologies
Microsoft Corporation

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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Prescod [mailto:paul@prescod.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:39 PM
To: Simon St.Laurent
Cc: xml-dev; spolsky@panix.com
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] SOAP and the Web

"Simon St.Laurent" wrote:
> Did you get anyone defending SOAP on its technical merits?

Technical merits?

Not really. There were quite a few who technically bashed it in response
to Joel's article though:

 * http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp

> You and Mark Baker seem to present more technical defense than any of
> the "advocates", which has me thoroughly confused.
> (Don Box did bring up a common framing format[1], but I'm having a
> time seeing the format mitigating the overall approach.)

Actually, if I get time I will write an article on how XML is a lousy
envelope format (whatever its other virtues!).

 Paul Precod

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