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At 03:51 PM 8/4/2002 -0400, Liam Quin wrote:
>[I have cc' postmaster@xml.org becasue none of my xml dev posts in the past
> year or two seem to have made it to the list]
This seems to be a continuing problem for some folks. (I'll happy forward
messages to xml-dev if that helps.)
>On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 12:43:36PM -0400, Simon St.Laurent wrote:
> > There's no type in WXS for locations. I can't use the built-in types to
> > express something like:
> >
> > <zoo>
> > <name>Utica Zoo</name>
> > <lat>75°15'00" N</lat>
> > <long>43°05'00" W</long>
> > </zoo>
> >
>
>It sounds like you're hankering after some of the minimisation featuers
>in SGML -data tag, shortref, etc.
No, I'm looking for a cleaner approach to mapping between the lexical and
value spaces that lets me map the lexical space to my own value spaces -
value spaces which can be represented explicitly (if verbosely) in markup,
at that.
>The XML way to do this, I claim, is
><zoo>
> <name>Utica Zoo</name>
> <lat>
> <deg>75</deg>
> <min>15</min>
> </lat>
> <long>
> <deg>43</deg>
> <min>05</min>
> </long>
></zoo>
>
>Now you can represent both lat and long in W3C XML Schema.
But that's simply a bizarre way to make me type more. A smarter approach
is to let humans (or GPS gadgets) type 75°15'00" N and provide a mapping
from that to a value structure. Using Regular Fragmentations, I can use
regular expressions break that down into:
<lat><deg>75</deg><min>15</min><sec>00</sec><hem>N</hem></lat>
If the normalized form you present above is so obviously good, then how
exactly did we get stuck with gHorribleKluge and a variety of other nastiness?
I'd guess we got there by focusing on notions of strong typing from other
aspects of computing - which, I've argued previously, are simply a bad fit
for markup.
>XML is a way to represent structure. You aer saying that it is flawed
>because it doesn't natively understand arbitrary other ways to
>represent structure. But that is not a goal of XML. Neither was
>terseness, of course :-)
Unfortunately, that's a goal that W3C XML Schema expressly sets out to
achieve and then falls flat on its face for any but a tiny number of
mappings from lexical to value. It is both too much (a huge pile of spec
to implement) and too little (for cartographers, anyone who cares about
units, etc.)
Simon St.Laurent
"Every day in every way I'm getting better and better." - Emile Coue
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