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   RE: [xml-dev] XPath/XSLT 2.0 concerns

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  • To: <keith@woc.org>,<xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
  • Subject: RE: [xml-dev] XPath/XSLT 2.0 concerns
  • From: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@microsoft.com>
  • Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:21:11 -0700
  • Thread-index: AcJqI7r5xr61n3Y1S7mf2jhNnIQgagAClQkw
  • Thread-topic: [xml-dev] XPath/XSLT 2.0 concerns

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith W. Boone [mailto:keith@woc.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:54 AM
> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Dare said:
> > If people spent as much times giving feedback to W3C 
> working groups as 
> > they spent angrily and impotently railing on XML-DEV maybe some 
> > progress would be made.
> But quite honestly, many of us are not W3C members [we don't 
> have 50K to pony up for membership], and non-members are 
> clearly not as welcome to participate in W3C processes 

W3C working groups have lists available for comment which they are
MANDATED to consider regardless of who submits their comments. Quite
frankly, I've seen some working groups react better to comments by
external developers than from comments by Microsoft standards reps. I
guess this stems from some attempt not to be "bullied" by the Evil

It is actually quite irksome to watch major issues we've been raising
for months get repeatedly shot down only to finally be taken seriously
when someone else either within or outside the working group brings them

Thus I have self serving interest in encouraging more constructive
criticism of W3C working groups by XML-DEVers. 

> Also, there are folks here who are WG members, and who do 
> listen.  So the railing is not totally useless.  

As Henry Thompson is fond of stating, no W3C working group member is
bound to read XML-DEV but they are all bound to consider comments to the
official W3C comments lists.

Like I said, people like to complain. Unfortunately armchair critics
don't change the world. 

The meek shall inherit the Earth....if that's all right with the rest of

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