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I'm having difficulty understanding your arguments and it seems you are debating several issues at once and conflating them together. From what I gather you think Microsoft overhyped XML, Joe Gregorio has put forth a ground breaking idea and Web Services are worthless. I disagree with all three but since I doubt anything worthwhile will come out of engaging in verbal sniping with you, I'll just be on my way. 

The meek shall inherit the Earth....if that's all right with the rest of you.          

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@simonstl.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:24 PM
> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Cc: joe@bitworking.org
> Dare writes:
> > The web described by Joe Gregorio has nothing to do with XML and 
> > everything to do with buyers & sellers agreeing on shared semantics 
> > and manipulating Google to become their global marketplace.
> I didn't get any sense from Paul Ford's piece or Joe's piece 
> that "manipulating Google" was necessary.  Shared semantics, 
> sure, but I do keep reading about XML lets people focus on 
> such things without investing huge amounts of time in syntax, 
> or even in new tools.
> > Agreeing
> > on shared semantics is the crux of the matter not whether 
> XML, RDF or 
> > whatever fashionable markup buzzword is of interest to you.
> Yeah, it's all just information.  I just can't figure out why 
> Microsoft keeps talking about XML all the time, when XML and 
> RDF are really the same thing, and we all need relational 
> datatypes in our markup.
> > Manipulating Google in the manner described is already 
> possible today, 
> > the question is whether Google will stnad for it since they 
> are known 
> > to hand tweak their algorithms if necessary to change undesirable 
> > results.
> Again, in Paul Ford's piece, there's this nice paragraph:
> ------------------------------
> Finally, Google realized they could grab a cut on the ³Web of 
> Trust² idea by offering their own verification and rating 
> service, $15 a year to answer a questionnaire, have your 
> credit checked, and fill in some bank account information. 
> But people signed up, because Google was the marketplace; the 
> Google seal of approval meant more than the government's.
> ------------------------------
> > What does web services have to do with anything??? 
> In this case, it struck me that the model Joe proposes is, as 
> he acknowledges, "very RESTian", and fits very nicely into 
> the existing Web without the need for whole extra stacks of 
> envelopes, headers, etc. on top of what's pretty simple XML.
> In general, however, the question "what does web services 
> have to do with anything???" seems like a good one.
> -------------
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> urn:oid: is another possibility altogether
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