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   Re: [xml-dev] SGML on the Web

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> That's very odd to me, as about 97% of the XML I work with (including
> the data) can be viewed usefully in a browser with just CSS -
> display:table being particularly useful, but hardly the only case.

don't you have cross reference elements where you need to generate text
by chasing the reference? or require tables of contents and other
generated lists and navigation links or have " highly structured
XML representing data fields that you want to display in some different
order in natural language paragraph style? I always seem to need to do
all of these things (before we even get to worry about the mathematics)

CSS is fine if you just want to syntax highlight your XML but you really
want to see the structure of the XML file (perhaps because you are
editing it) rather than see the document resulting from that XML.

> On the Web, I think it's fair to say that most Web developers are quite
> familiar with the case where document order is presentation order.
that's just saying that on the web most people are familiar with html,
this is of course true but it doesn't have to be that way. Obviously
there will always be (perhaps a majority) of such documents, but xhtml
is fine for them, xml as "sgml-on-the-web" was supposed to promise
the possibility of putting other kinds of documents up on the web as

> Their handling of the XHTML namespace and mixtures of XML and XHTML is
> execrable to put it mildly;
oh yes teh html side and its xml islands is _not_ what I was talking
about, or use. But sending XML as tex/xml to the XML side of IE,
styled via XSLT works quite well (even if the document's full of mathml...)

> And the CSS in Mozilla and Netscape (and to a lesser extent in Opera)
> puts IE completely to shame for any XML application.

But I only ever use css for some simple colouring or font choices, that
works well enough and unfortunately opera doesn't have any
transformation possibilities last time I checked so isn't usable on any
of the xml I see.

> I'm happy with CSS for pretty much all the direct DocBook reading I do
> up to the point where ORA feeds it all into Frame.

 as I say above css styling xml is fine if you just want a draft editing
 view, but could you really get a final presentation form for use by
 someone other than the author without using a transformation language?


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