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   Re: [xml-dev] Elliotte Rusty Harold on Web Services

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> The history of C -> C++ -> Java -> C# is an interesting thing to ponder in 
> this context: to me, it's not self-evident that Java did the right thing in 
> forking rather than calling itself "C++--" or whatever.  It went off by 
> itself, we've had 5 years of language warfare, and now we have 3 contending 
> languages (C++, Java, and C#) that share far more ideas than they disagree 
> over, and whose syntax is easily confused for one another. I would prefer 
> NOT to do this all over again (speaking of real world costs in developer 
> time and productivity!) on the markup language side.

I knew your "ecumenism" analogy was dodgy, but even I did not expect you to 
contradict yourself so swiftly.  What is wrong with the competition between 
Java, C, C++ and C# ?  I see nothing wrong with it, and think that data 
representation languages should emulate this rather than running away.

I can assure you that the CSVTree folks are not going to convince those of us 
who prefer document-and-markup-oriented languages to adopt their own 
predilections any time soon, so why try to force it down our throats?

As for the prediction that CSVTree will look like RELAX NG compact syntax, I'd 
like to see you or anyone else pull that off.  Eric van der Vlist's 
frustrations with handling annotations in RNG compact are instructive here.  
RNG compact is useful in a very controlled subset of the markup that makes up 
RNG itself.  Generalizing that even to the ambitions of CSVTree, never mind 
markup in general, would be extremely difficult.

Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
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