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   RE: [xml-dev] The subsetting has begun

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Wunderbar!  Two nicely contrary points of view that somehow converge.

Gavin Nicol:

"That's the whole point though. I don't see interoperability coming only from 
common syntax, nor from a single infoset. Application/software level 
interoperability can only happen through standardization within a given 
application domain.... it's outside the scope of the efforts of the W3C."

Mike Champion:

"Users of XML tools building documents they 
expect to send via SOAP, or building SOAP envelopes for their XML 
documents/data "by hand" might need tools that enforce the SOAP subset so 
that some downstream SOAP processor doesn't reject them."

I don't see interoperability coming from any one source either. 
Yet I see improvements or alternatives that can make improvements 
overall.  Tools to help the SOAP builder, a reduction in 
the exposure to some side effects of entities, a better layering 
where parsing and validation are cleanly separated, then the 
potential to put all "datatyping/schematizing" languages on an 
equal footing vis a vis well-formed instances would all be 
improvements we could share.

Mike concludes: 

"I think XML-SW would be a Good Thing for almost everyone including the Web services 
people, although it might cause a bit of discomfort to align with it."

and Gavin concludes:

"The standardization efforts within a given domain might well normatively 
define themselves in terms of the syntax and infoset defined elsewhere..."

I agree.  If everyone believes they can all gain even with some 
pain, and that pain is reasonably equally shared, that is a 
basis for a consensus on a normative subset of XML.

XML-SW is as close as any proposal I've seen put forward that 
gets the most benefits for the best sharing of the pain of the 
implementation.  I would think it in the best interests of the 
W3C and the XML community to start there.



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