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I believe that some folks want to do away with ISO altogether.  
It lets them do whatever they like with whomever they like 
and then push that out on to a public that can't tell the
difference via labeling it a standard through an organization 
that could care less.  Let the buyer beware.  That is fine 
until the middle tier vendor has to sign an indemnity agreement 
for that technology while the first vendor merely has 
to claim, it's 'standard'.

I am not saying and have not said, "ISO only" 
but that consortia working with ISO stand a better 
chance of producing a reliable standard.  ISO is only 
guaranteeing a process.  It is the consortia practices, 
particularly the IP agreements as bound by the participation 
agreements that one relies on.

As I asked Dare, would you agree that if the following 
is asked, a better deal results:

1.  It is ISO standard (which has a specific meaning) 
    but created by technical committees from consortia 
    (not the marketing guys who go to committee meetings 
    to represent their bosses' viewpoint).

2.  Is Royalty-free by dint of a signed participation 

3.  Comes with conformance tests and a test mark (a 
    formal variation of a trade mark).

So now, 'standard' has a meaning.  The quality of the 
standard is as good as the consortium members that 
produce it, but the meaning is clear, the IP is 
open, and conformance tests ensure that something 
claimed to be 'standard' actually is.

As long as people continue to dis solutions that 
might work, we might as well go back to the proprietary 
solutions and push for indemnity clauses.  If this 
can't be done through the standards groups, there 
are very few other alternatives.


From: Rich Salz [mailto:rsalz@datapower.com]

Most of these weren't ISO/ITU committees, but were either private
industry consortia, or other standards work that got a "finishing
polish."  In fact, the only one I know of that was ISO from start
to finish is X.400, which surely must be considered a temporary
success at best, if not an overall failure and waste of time.

I believe when most folks say "what has ISO done," they want examples that
started in ISO (or ITU, most folks comingle them), rather than another
phase on an existing work.  If all you need is the latter, than just have
ISO versions of IP, TCP, HTTP/1.1, and SSL.

So, can anyone point to ISO/ITU success in the computer (software) field?


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