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Nikita,
It's very interesting speculation. I can definitely see what
you are talking about being applied to a grid connection
topology. It's just the next natural step along.
Not really being a WS expert myself, or one with a simplistic
understanding of those things, I would query if it fits the
model.
Grid Internet is about connections everywhere.. it reflects
the way business people think anyway.. always lots to do and not
much time to spend on any one thing...
Obviously what you are talking about is going to be needed at
some point in time.
but better check with some experts from the W3C and see what
they say...
David
Quoting Nikita Ogievetsky <nogievet@cogx.com>:
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks. It would have seamed quite useful to have...
> Perhaps it would be useful to start inventory monitoring parameters, etc.
> Seams like a good potential for OWL/topic maps.
> (It is not a very straightforward project - Just imagine different opinions
> on what, why and how can be measured!)
> Are there any enthusiasts?
>
> Cheers,
>
> --Nikita
>
> ! -----Original Message-----
> ! From: david.lyon@computergrid.net [mailto:david.lyon@computergrid.net]
> ! Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:48 PM
> ! To: Nikita Ogievetsky
> ! Cc: 'Chiusano Joseph'; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> ! Subject: RE: [xml-dev] monitoring vocabularies
> !
> ! Hi Nikita,
> !
> ! I'm blown away... you are obviously thinking ahead one
> ! or two steps...
> !
> !
> ! Quoting Nikita Ogievetsky <nogievet@cogx.com>:
> !
> ! > Hi Joe,
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Thank you for the reference, indeed, WSDM-MOWS is quite interesting and
> ! > useful.
> ! >
> ! > I was however looking for a wider monitoring vocabulary that includes
> ! other
> ! > domains such as:
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Web Services
> ! >
> ! > Business flow monitoring
> ! >
> ! > Batch job monitoring
> ! >
> ! > Database Monitoring
> ! >
> ! > Host performance
> ! >
> ! > Network performance
> ! >
> ! > Transactions
> ! >
> ! > Middleware
> ! >
> ! > Applications
> ! >
> ! > Etc.
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > It seams to be a very useful vocabulary to have.
> ! >
> ! > If most vendors agreed on such a vocabulary, distributed monitoring
> ! would be
> ! > a much easier task.
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Joe,
> ! >
> ! > In addition to WSDM WS initiative that you mentioned I came across some
> ! > other resources related to distributed monitoring:
> ! >
> ! > http://www.par.univie.ac.at/~truong/publications/ - a series of papers
> ! on
> ! > Unified Grid Monitoring
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > http://gridmon.dl.ac.uk/ Grid Network Performance Monitoring for UK
> ! > e-Science, definitions of metrics
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Also, this presentation: http://gridrm.org/pubs/talks/RAL03/talk.ppt
> ! (Data
> ! > harvesting from heterogeneous systems) talks about Grid Monitoring
> ! Markup
> ! > Language.
> ! >
> ! > But searching Google for "Grid Monitoring Markup Language" returns no
> ! other
> ! > resources.
> ! >
> ! > Some other papers refer to "Monitoring Markup Language (MML)",
> ! (including
> ! > http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-4684/6mk6mn3rk?a=view, for example)
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Does anybody know if actual MML or GMML schemas are available?
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Kind Regards,
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > --Nikita
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > _____
> ! >
> ! > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> ! > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:10 AM
> ! > To: Nikita Ogievetsky; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> ! > Subject: RE: [xml-dev] monitoring vocabularies
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Hi Nikita,
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > I recommend you look at the work of the OASIS (Web Services Distributed
> ! > Management) WSDM TC, as well as the WS-Management vendor-based
> ! > specification. I don't believe that either is ontology-based, but there
> ! will
> ! > be schemas there.
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Cheers,
> ! >
> ! > Joe
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Joseph Chiusano
> ! >
> ! > Booz Allen Hamilton
> ! >
> ! > Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > _____
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > From: Nikita Ogievetsky [mailto:nogievet@cogx.com]
> ! > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:00 AM
> ! > To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> ! > Subject: [xml-dev] monitoring vocabularies
> ! >
> ! > Dear All,
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Does anybody know of an attempt to standardize performance monitoring
> ! and/or
> ! > business process monitoring?
> ! >
> ! > Had anybody come across a
> ! >
> ! > - vocabulary (PSI?) of things to monitor,
> ! >
> ! > - Ontology of things related to monitoring,
> ! >
> ! > - schemas for monitoring messages?
> ! >
> ! > (I found several proposals to create these, but could not find anything
> ! > comprehensive)
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > Thanks,
> ! >
> ! >
> ! >
> ! > --Nikita
> ! >
> ! >
> !
> !
> !
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