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<Quote>
I still subscribe to the vision of getting all the Small businesses out
there, who have this outragiously powerful hardware and communications
bandwidth to be able to really stress the xml parsers to the max... and
I just don't believe this is happening yet....
</Quote>

This has been, I understand, one of the strongest motivators of the
OASIS UBL TC. You may want to track their work if you are not already
doing so.

Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Booz Allen Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Lyon [mailto:david.lyon@computergrid.net] 
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:18 PM
> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] on-the-wire xml ... Even if you're ...
> 
> 
> Michael,
> 
> On Friday 28 January 2005 04:03 am, Michael Kay wrote:
> 
> > anyone who thinks they can assess the level of use in a 
> given country 
> > is making wild guesses and is almost certainly wrong.
> 
> Ok, but making sweeping generalisations like I do and then 
> arguing them over beer is often more fun than being right :-)
> 
> Actually, I have to revise my original generalisation or at 
> least clarify it somewhat.
> 
> XML use is slowly increasing, yes. So anybody selling xml 
> products would see more interest in them, of course.
> 
> My revised generalisation is that transmitted xml on-the-wire 
> is not growing that fast, or as fast as one would expect.
> 
> One customer just this week, needs to get xml working between 
> the web site and quick-books. It's not coming from the 
> customer.. just an in-house transfer...
> 
> Where there are xml transmitting applications, most seem to 
> replace apps that previously existed which did exactly the 
> same thing. ie tax apps. Online tax applications have existed 
> for years, now they transmit in xml. Is that a new application?
> or just a rewrite of an old one.
> 
> Let's move onto xml in accounting. Quickbooks can support 
> xml. Xml can be used to "load" and "read" data in and out of 
> the products.
> 
> But widespread on-the-wire use of xml from one accounting 
> system to the other isn't popular as far as I know.
> 
> Therefore the product "has" xml, but I would argue doesn't "use"
> it in an on-the-wire sense.
> 
> And in thousands of small businesses, very few that I have 
> seen (ok - limited vision) have on-the-wire xml.
> 
> If xml doesn't need to be like this then fine. I'll admit 
> being sold the wrong idea.
> 
> I still subscribe to the vision of getting all the Small 
> businesses out there, who have this outragiously powerful 
> hardware and communications bandwidth to be able to really 
> stress the xml parsers to the max... and I just don't believe 
> this is happening yet....
> 
> Ok, I waste my time doing doing multi-connection xml 
> protocols. Developing multi-processing xml search engines and 
> stuff - why? I don't think xml is developed to the max quite 
> yet. I still think there is much further to go with the 
> stuff. When I say not used, I probably mean not used to the 
> max.... and I think it will take some time for me to be 
> convinced otherwise no matter how "wrong" I may seem on the 
> face of it.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
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