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   Re: [xml-dev] Before fragmenting, fix the broken bits first

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On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 09:52 -0800, Dare Obasanjo wrote:
> Your comments above hint at the real problem. It seems you are equating
> the notion of 'one Web' with a 'binary XML Web' which is why people like
> ERH are against your efforts.
> Instead of using domain specific technologies optimized for that target
> domain, various parties want to usurp interoperable text-based XML with
> some binary derivation of it. Sometimes I look at efforts like SOAP and
> wonder if we wouldn't have all been better off if they hadn't picked
> ASN.1 instead. Trying to satisfy the needs of a person editing business
> documents with WordML and a developer building distributed applications
> using similar toolkits has proven to be a problem no one has quite
> figured how to truly solve.  I'd rather see the XML world solve the API
> and toolkit problem first before further fragmenting itself into
> text-based XML and binary XML. 


I'm glad that someone else said put this so clearly.  And I'm also glad
that someone else will, as a result, attract the strange, sarcastic,
impenetrable non-argument that Berjon has been flinging about this
thread ;-)  I just get to nod and watch, for once.

The API problem is certainly far more interesting, but I'm not convinced
the XML community as a whole can get together to fix it.  I think the
whole problem with DOM and SAX is that they are LCDs for all the various
languages and platforms interested in XML.  I think the best APIs are
environment-specific.  From COmega to HAXML, the right work is already
progressing.  Let's just keep the W3C out of it.

Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Use CSS to display XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss-i.html
Introducing the Amara XML Toolkit - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/01/19/amara.html
Be humble, not imperial (in design) - http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10286
Querying WordNet as XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think29.html
Manage XML collections with XAPI - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-xapi.html
Default and error handling in XSLT lookup tables - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiplook.html
Packaging XSLT lookup tables as EXSLT functions - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiplook2.html


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