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basudeb gupta wrote:
>Still the fact remains that XML is nothing but a
>different form of comma delimited raw text data.
>
>
no it's not. not in any way, shape, or form.
<rant>
comma delimited struggles with position dependence, embedded commas (you
need " as well as ,), multilingual issues, number representations etc.
it's probably the worst format ever invented.
but it's popular.
it's like the old sorting problem - bubble sorts are simple and popular
and totally useless for significant data sets. csv is much the same -
simple, popular, and totally useless for most of the planet.
</rant>
>It has spawned more software, tools, discussions and
>forums on just how to interpret this data.
>
>The whole concept of writing <xxxxx> followed by
></xxxxx> is almost childlike in its simplicity and
>wastefulness.
>
>Why are someone talking about binary XML suddenly?
>
>- Basudeb: a very late comer
>
>
>
>--- "Hurd, Bruce" <Bruce.Hurd@nz.unisys.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>The two main differences between XML and struct's is
>>that XML doesn't
>>dictate the structure of the data whereas a struct
>>does by definition.
>>The second main difference is that XML is self
>>describing. Sure you
>>don't get context, that would be impossible to
>>define in an open
>>standard. For example, its not XML's job to tell
>>you what a <book />
>>means but it is its job to tell that it is a book.
>>That's description.
>>Where as the contents of a struct is merely a stream
>>of bytes, there's
>>nothing there but the content.
>>
>>These are the main reasons why XML became such a
>>great standard. As
>>soon as you define a structure you're also implying
>>and/or limiting
>>implementation which reduces the inter-operability
>>of that data.
>>Defining structure is the job of the data's author,
>>not the transport
>>mechanism.
>>
>>-Bruce
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tech Rams [mailto:techmailing@yahoo.com]
>>Sent: Friday, 16 September 2005 12:06 p.m.
>>To: Anil Philip; Michael Kay; 'xml dev'
>>Subject: RE: [xml-dev] basic qs - how is xml more
>>flexible for
>>exchanging data?
>>
>>I think Michael's point was precisely about binary
>>data - no one has issues with text/ascii data
>>(mostly).
>>
>>How can you guarantee that who ever is receiving the
>>data (and whenever) will be able to reconstruct the
>>structure you have, given Michael's points?
>>
>>-rams
>>
>>--- Anil Philip <goodnewsforyou@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I dont think you understood the post - I meant
>>>
>>>
>>when
>>
>>
>>>one transfers binary data (in a file or stream). I
>>>am
>>>not referring to C compilers and it's not about
>>>metadata or validation. Where are you now?
>>>
>>>--- Michael Kay <mike@saxonica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Two C compilers on different architectures would
>>>>represent that structure
>>>>quite differently. There's no data interchange
>>>>
>>>>
>>>there
>>>
>>>
>>>>at all except between
>>>>identical machines with identical compilers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>running
>>>
>>>
>>>>identical applications;
>>>>there's no scope for attaching metadata to the
>>>>message; there's no scope for
>>>>validation... Where have you been all these
>>>>
>>>>
>>years?
>>
>>
>>>>Michael Kay
>>>>http://www.saxonica.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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