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Actually as I was sitting here I realized that there cannot be any
case in which ##local is under ##other since other needs to qualified,
and local cannot be qualified, this is probably what you were trying
to tell me. So I suppose that Ken's example was not non-deterministic.
Although isn't it the case that the empty namespace can be qualified
in XML Namespace 1.1? doesn't really apply to anything we need to
worry about though.
Cheers,
Bryan v
On 5/23/06, bryan rasmussen <rasmussen.bryan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/23/06, Fraser Goffin <goffinf@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Basically it seems to me that the question as to whether it is
> > > nondeterministic revolves on whether local is within other,
> >
> > Quoting from 'Essential XML Quick Reference - Skonnard/Gudgin' when
> > describing the xs:any namespace attribute value :-
> >
> > '.. The value of this attribute is either the string ##any, the string
> > ##other, or a list of namespace URIs, and/or the string
> > ##targetNamespace and/or the string ##local.'
> >
> > Hence it is not legal to include both of them on a single xs:any. E.g.
> > this is not legal AFAIK :-
> >
> > <xs:any namespace="##other ##local" minOccurs="0"/>
> >
>
> That's not what is being discussed. The question is whether ##other
> can in any situation contain ##local. If so I can understand why
> someone would suppose that ken's example is non-deterministic, if not
> I cannot understand it. However I am also wondering if one has a model
> where everything should be skipped in processing if that model can be
> considered to be non-deterministic, if everything is supposed to be
> skipped there should not be a chance of conflicts.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan
> > >
> > > On 5/23/06, G. Ken Holman <gkholman@cranesoftwrights.com> wrote:
> > > > At 2006-05-18 00:20 +0100, Fraser Goffin wrote:
> > > > >The example schema fragment that you pointed at :-
> > > > >
> > > > > <xs:choice minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded">
> > > > > <xs:any namespace="##other" processContents="skip"/>
> > > > > <xs:any namespace="##local" processContents="skip"/>
> > > > > </xs:choice>
> > > > >
> > > > >looks OK, but XML Spy and MSXML 4 report it as non deterministic ?
> > > >
> > > > Below is the post that I made last week to the W3C Schema mail list
> > > > ... I still have not seen any response to the post, so I still do not
> > > > know the answer to the question.
> > > >
> > > > The UBL TC is meeting face-to-face this week so we need help as soon
> > > > as possible ... I hoping that someone on the UBL-Dev or XML-Dev list
> > > > might offer comments on the situation described below.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again for bringing this up!
> > > >
> > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ken
> > > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:35:26 +0200
> > > > To: xmlschema-dev@w3.org
> > > > From: "G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com>
> > > > Subject: Question of reports of non-determinism
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Below is transcript of an extended example from our work in UBL:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/200604/msg00013.html
> > > >
> > > > I've been using xjparse invoking Xerces in order to test examples and
> > > > experiments for the TC.
> > > >
> > > > In the example below, I have modeled an extension point named
> > > > LineItemExtension into which I wish to allow child elements from any
> > > > other namespace and from no namespace.
> > > >
> > > > I am informed that some tools (not Xerces below) report that ##other
> > > > conflicts with ##local in that it is non-deterministic. Yet if I
> > > > take out ##local the example below fails in Xerces because I've
> > > > included an element in no namespace, so Xerces is implementing "other
> > > > namespace" as "other non-null namespace", while the other tools are
> > > > implementing "other namespace" as "other namespace including no namespace".
> > > >
> > > > Does ##other imply ##local or does ##other require there be a target
> > > > namespace that is different in the particle? If ##other implies
> > > > ##local then Xerces is wrong ... otherwise these other tools are wrong.
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking to advise the TC correctly in this matter, so any help
> > > > would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > . . . . . . . . . Ken
> > > >
> > > > t:\fraser>type exublorder2.xsd
> > > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > > > <xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema";
> > > > elementFormDefault="qualified"
> > > > targetNamespace="urn:oasis:names:draft:ubl:schema:xsd:Order-2"
> > > > xmlns:u="urn:oasis:names:draft:ubl:schema:xsd:Order-2">
> > > > <xs:element name="Order">
> > > > <xs:complexType>
> > > > <xs:sequence>
> > > > <xs:element ref="u:OrderNumber"/>
> > > > <xs:element maxOccurs="unbounded" ref="u:LineItem"/>
> > > > <xs:element ref="u:TotalAmount"/>
> > > > </xs:sequence>
> > > > </xs:complexType>
> > > > </xs:element>
> > > > <xs:element name="OrderNumber" type="xs:string"/>
> > > > <xs:element name="LineItem">
> > > > <xs:complexType>
> > > > <xs:sequence>
> > > > <xs:element ref="u:Description"/>
> > > > <xs:element ref="u:PriceAmount"/>
> > > > <xs:element minOccurs="0" ref="u:LineItemExtension"/>
> > > > </xs:sequence>
> > > > </xs:complexType>
> > > > </xs:element>
> > > > <xs:element name="Description" type="xs:string"/>
> > > > <xs:element name="PriceAmount" type="xs:string"/>
> > > > <xs:element name="LineItemExtension" type="u:any-non-UBL"/>
> > > > <xs:element name="TotalAmount" type="xs:string"/>
> > > > <xs:complexType name="any-non-UBL">
> > > > <xs:choice minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded">
> > > > <xs:any namespace="##other" processContents="skip"
> > > > minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
> > > > <xs:any namespace="##local" processContents="skip"
> > > > minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded"/>
> > > > </xs:choice>
> > > > </xs:complexType>
> > > > </xs:schema>
> > > >
> > > > t:\fraser>type exaeroorder2.xml
> > > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
> > > > <Order xmlns="urn:oasis:names:draft:ubl:schema:xsd:Order-2"
> > > > xmlns:a="urn:x-aerospace:ubl:lineitem">
> > > > <OrderNumber>123</OrderNumber>
> > > > <LineItem>
> > > > <Description>747 Repair Kit</Description>
> > > > <PriceAmount>1200000.54</PriceAmount>
> > > > <LineItemExtension>
> > > > <a:LineItemDetail>
> > > > <a:Part>
> > > > <a:Description>Starboard wing</a:Description>
> > > > <a:Amount>600000.00</a:Amount>
> > > > </a:Part>
> > > > <a:Part>
> > > > <a:Description>Port wing</a:Description>
> > > > <a:Amount>600000.00</a:Amount>
> > > > </a:Part>
> > > > <a:Part>
> > > > <a:Description>Bolt</a:Description>
> > > > <a:Quantity>2</a:Quantity>
> > > > <a:Amount>.27</a:Amount>
> > > > </a:Part>
> > > > </a:LineItemDetail>
> > > > </LineItemExtension>
> > > > </LineItem>
> > > > <LineItem>
> > > > <Description>DC3 Repair Kit</Description>
> > > > <PriceAmount>37.25</PriceAmount>
> > > > <LineItemExtension>
> > > > <a:LineItemDetail>
> > > > <a:Part>
> > > > <a:Description>Rubber band</a:Description>
> > > > <a:Amount>37.25</a:Amount>
> > > > </a:Part>
> > > > </a:LineItemDetail>
> > > > <hello xmlns="">
> > > > <world/>
> > > > </hello>
> > > > </LineItemExtension>
> > > > </LineItem>
> > > > <TotalAmount>1200037.79</TotalAmount>
> > > > </Order>
> > > > t:\fraser>xjparse -S exublorder2.xsd exaeroorder2.xml
> > > > No validation errors.
> > > >
> > > >
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