Re[2]: [xml-dev] SQL5

[Dmitry Turin <sql4-en@narod.ru>]

Jonathan,

JR> goal is to have compatibility or interoperability within some market
To my mind, market is monopolized and mythologized,
it has very less common with needs of people.

JR> - Why can people work together better if they use the technology you
JR> define?
  It must be admitted, this is diversion against programmers.
Purpose is to delete gaskets like php, etc.
Then directly communication between user agent (email client, browser,
ftp-client - any agent in general before choice of protocol) and DBMS
will be possible, and applied specialists will capable to automate
their activity (SQL is accessable for them) without IT-specialists.
Since proprietary UA (SqlPlus.exe, PgSql.exe, iSql.exe) and common UA
(listed above) behave identically.
  As you see, XML (actually HTML) for i/o, processing of tree are
secondary and infered from choice of HTTP and of finding tendency to solve
interoperability problem among heterogeneous UA by XML.

JR> - What part of that should be implemented by a number of products that
JR> do not use any of your technology or software at all?
(1) lay-ing XML into tables, using FK [1].
(2) extraction records into XML, using FK and determination.
(3) sending/receiving via HTTP
(4) saving of accepted file (picture [2]) in any place
    (at least in filesystem) and to save HTML-link (value of @src)
    for file in record's field
(5) sending of file upon HTTP-request according to @src
(6) mixing of DML and 'a.b.c.d >>' in one procedure/trigger.
(7) construction 'order by ... start by ... limit ...' to send next portion

[1] applied specialists must thought-out scheme to avoid several FK
from one table into other. This restriction may be overcame
by plug-in for browser, which will send 'determination'
http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/forsql40_eng.htm
http://sql50.euro.ru/site/sql50/en/author/determination_eng.htm
[2] content of file is invisible now in browser.
To overcome this without programming (heavy for users),
it's possible to install plug-in into browser
http://html60.euro.ru/site/html60/en/author/inputpic_eng.htm

P.S. Following real life, processing of tree in database is desirably,
but not necessary. Removal of gasket is the main.

JR>  Who else will
JR> produce an implementation of the part you propose to standardize?
Some additional comfort:
request, distributed on several database (nearly necessary);
rights for each record.

P.S. I have much doubts about creating index for 'rought equality of
strings', and thus about 'rought equality' itself.

JR> - Who are the people who recognize their need to cooperate using a
JR> technology like yours, instead of existing standards or proprietary
JR> approaches, and will help you to get this accepted as a standard?
(1) Applied specialist (phisicists, biologists, etc),
who by itself (independently) must develop informational system
(1.1) heavy to explain for programmers
(1.2) have no time
(1.3) have no money
(2) Workman in small business
(3) Teacher in university

JR> Good answers to these questions will help you know where to go with the
JR> proposed standard to make it happen.
How you estimate my answers ?
Is it right, realistic ?
What i forgot ?


Dmitry Turin
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