Re: [xml-dev] HXTML5

[Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>]

Sorry, I truncated the last sentence

> "...This would thus be a matter of extending the
> HTML DOM to cater for what I called 'HXTML5' or something like
> it in cases where having to make two different DOMs (HTML and
> XML) work side-by-side in the same browsers...

... is considered too onerous .


----
Stephen D Green



On 24 February 2011 09:29, Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mmm. I had somehow gotten the idea that the browser vendors
> were pushing back on parsing XML natively within the browser
> (pushing back on the XML DOM and just sticking to the HTML
> DOM). My idea is that, if the browser users so much need to have
> extensibility but find this push-back by the browser vendors versus
> the XML DOM is acting against their interests in that direction, then
> maybe the users and vendors could meet halfway with extensibility
> via something closer to the HTML DOM. So the idea I had was
> that browser vendors could extend the HTML DOM with something
> akin to what is there already, as (re)defined by WHATWG, but
> which gives extensibility halfway to what XML gives. I would think
> the browser vendors in WHATWG could define the parsing rules
> which suit them and which make implementation no more painful
> than with HTML5. This would thus be a matter of extending the
> HTML DOM to cater for what I called 'HXTML5' or something like
> it in cases where having to make two different DOMs (HTML and
> XML) work side-by-side in the same browsers.
>
> ----
> Stephen D Green
>
>
>
> On 23 February 2011 19:43, Greg Hunt <greg@firmansyah.com> wrote:
>> And it would be as easy to parse, for those of us who are not browser
>> vendors, as html is.  Why do that?
>> XML has traction in the HTML world already and the changes that you suggest
>> won't make it any more usable and will increase the number of technology
>> variants that we have to deal with.  This is the problem with all this talk
>> of new kinds of XML, our technology usage is driven by the tools that are in
>> the environment (which is I suspect why I is see RelaxNG in forums like this
>> but I almost never see it anywhere else) and tends to complicate life when
>> we have a family of related but overlapping standards - choosing one under
>> those circumstances is more likely to cause a religious war.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Stephen Green <stephengreenubl@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What if there were a variant of XML which was like
>>> HTML? It would be typically inserted into HTML
>>> inside a script element
>>>
>>> e.g.
>>>
>>> <script type="text/hxtml5">
>>> <a b1=c1 b2='c2' b3="c3">
>>> <d e>f
>>> </d>
>>> <g><h></g>
>>> </script>
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> <root>
>>> <a b1=c1 b2='c2' b3="c3">
>>> <d e>f
>>> </d>
>>> <g><h></g>
>>> </root>
>>>
>>>
>>> Firstly it doesn't have to have a top level element
>>> (but it can have) since it can be inserted inside
>>> other HTML or XHTML elements.
>>>
>>> Elements do not have to have closing tags (rules
>>> determine where missing tags would have been).
>>>
>>> Empty elements do not have to have a backslash
>>> e.g. <h> above, in the spirit of HTML. They are
>>> presumed to be empty as determined by parsing
>>> rules, as with HTML.
>>>
>>> Attributes do not have to have values (e.g. 'e' above).
>>>
>>> Attribute values do not have be surrounded by quotes.
>>>
>>> I guess this is distinct from XML5 though which I
>>> think has the concept of compatibility with XML 1.0.
>>>
>>> Might it get more traction in the HTML world?
>>> ----
>>> Stephen D Green
>>>
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