Re: [xml-dev] Engineering versus Science, Anecdote versus Evidence ... [

[cbullard@hiwaay.net]

"And is it not sufficient for the art to provide an experience for the  
artist alone?"

It is for the artist.  There is another answer but it doesn't belong  
on a family list. :)

It isn't a title.  Art is communication.  Is there an art to  
engineering?  Sure.  As TEI points out though, it is in making the  
choices well regardless of the science.

len



Quoting Pete Cordell <petexmldev@codalogic.com>:

> Original Message From: <cbullard@hiwaay.net>
>
>> The invisible art is not art.  It is glue and paint artfully  
>> applied. The art is in the ability to provide an experience.   To  
>> think  otherwise is to understand neither.
>
> Probably OT, but:
>
> I thought art was art because an artist said it was art.  And we  
> know someone is an artist because they say they're an artist.
>
> And is it not sufficient for the art to provide an experience for  
> the artist alone?
>
> Either way, I think Michael is quite at liberty to call himself an  
> artist, and call what he creates is art.  His art is seen.
>
> Pete Cordell
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> Original Message From: <cbullard@hiwaay.net>
> To: "Tom De Herdt" <tom.deherdt@skynet.be>
> Cc: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Engineering versus Science, Anecdote versus  
> Evidence ... [Was: Designing an experiment to gather evidence on  
> approaches to designing web services]
>
>
>> The invisible art is not art.  It is glue and paint artfully  
>> applied. The art is in the ability to provide an experience.   To  
>> think  otherwise is to understand neither.
>>
>> len
>>
>> Quoting Tom De Herdt <tom.deherdt@skynet.be>:
>>
>>>> Indeed. Like the fine carvings in inaccessible places in a   
>>>> cathedral, invisible to everyone but the creator and the Creator.
>>>
>>> Thank you for this fine image.
>>>
>>> Probably out of context, but I couldn't help but think of words  
>>> attributed to Heraclitus, the Greek philosopher, 5th century BC:
>>> "invisible harmony is superior to the visible"
>>>
>>> Although both forms of harmony (or elegance) are probably  
>>> important,  in different ways.
>>>
>>> Tom De Herdt
>>> http://www.wulfila.be
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Kay
>>> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Engineering versus Science, Anecdote versus  
>>> Evidence ... [Was: Designing an experiment to gather evidence on  
>>> approaches to designing web services]
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30/12/2011 01:41, David Lee wrote:
>>>> IMHO the art of software is often invisible to nearly everyone  
>>>> but  the creator.
>>>
>>> Indeed. Like the fine carvings in inaccessible places in a cathedral,
>>> invisible to everyone but the creator and the Creator.
>>>
>>> I take great delight in the internal poetry of code: making the source
>>> look good on the screen, eloquence in the choice of names, choosing the
>>> elegant design over the banal and obvious one. A joy of working for
>>> myself is that I don't have to try and rationalize why I do this; a joy
>>> of writing open source is that the enjoyment can be shared by others.
>>> This is definitely art rather than engineering, but I like to think that
>>> the pride in craftsmanship has beneficial side effects on the
>>> engineering metrics of the final artefact.
>>>
>>> But all this is an indulgence; it doesn't pay the wages. It's what a
>>> good craftsman does, but not what he is paid to do. The day job is
>>> engineering.
>>>
>>> There is also art, of course, in what is exposed to users: the external
>>> visual design. But that's a different question, and one where I have
>>> very little competence.
>>>
>>> Michael Kay
>>> Saxonica
>>>
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