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RE: [xml-dev] XML's greatest cultural advantage over JSON

MicroXML, like XML before it, failed to explicitly acknowledge the architecture of the Web, so
it will fail on the Web too, IMHO.  Failure on the web has little to do with namespaces, which
is the dominant 'problem' addressed by MicroXML.
If it had included simple hyperlinks, @href, @src, @type, @rel, it would have a better chance at
succeeding on the Web. 
But I think the major impediment to adoption on the Web is the browser, which plays nicely with
html/css, images and javascript but not with anything else.  So it is simply what Jirka identifies: developers
can use json-p across origins to get access to the data their applications demand, so XML is
as a result a non-starter. 
Funny thing, I only recently came across the SLink proposal and some commentary about it
from the browser crowd.    It seems that in the drive to eliminate 'application' semantics from
XML, the application called the Web was eliminated also.

From: Stephen D Green [mailto:stephengreenubl@gmail.com]
Sent: April 29, 2013 09:02
To: Jirka Kosek
Cc: Simon St.Laurent; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] XML's greatest cultural advantage over JSON

Just comparing the time it took for XML to be adequately
supported in RDBMSs and application frameworks like
.NET and Java and the time it has taken for it to be adequately
supported in Javascript (and browsers for that matter) and
you get the idea the latter have either been rather tardy or
have lacked strong user demand, or there has been some
other major blocker not suffered by RDBMSs and application
frameworks. It's probably too late to think that that will ever
be fixed. MicroXML doesn't seem to have made any impact
on the problem. Probably nothing will. (IMO of course)

Stephen D Green

On 29 April 2013 09:50, Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz> wrote:
On 28.4.2013 14:22, Simon St.Laurent wrote:

> XML had a chance with an open-minded crowd of people eager to embrace
> it.  By and large, we utterly failed to convince them.  Once other
> options emerged, they ran there.

I think that story is different. Javascript in browser doesn't have
usable XML API (DOM is simply ... DOM), but evaluating JSON with eval()
at that time was very easy (do you still remember E4X?). Also given the
browser security model you are unable to fetch cross-site XML resources,
but you can do the same with JSON-P. So with JSON it was possible to
walk around limitations in browser, nothing more. With better XML API in
browser and more reasonable security model situation between JSON/XML in
Web front-end development could be very different.


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