Re: [xml-dev] ISO/IEC 19757-3:2016 Schematron second edition?

[Dave Pawson <dave.pawson@gmail.com>]

Thanks Rick for
a) coming up with Schematron - simple when explained well,
horrendously complex until then.
b) the work you've put in to get it to ISO.

It's slowly disappearing into the woodwork, as is XML, just a nice
tool to use when needed.
IMHO a vote of confidence. So bloody useful it should not be allowed to die.

Thank you.

Dave P



On 19 May 2016 at 12:53, Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@allette.com.au> wrote:
> The 2006 edition of schematron came out in 2006, but it was largely based on
> Schematron circa 2003.
>
> In 2007 I put out a request for suggestions to the public
> http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/post/what_else_should_schematron_ha.html
>
> In 2008 I submitted my ideas to the ISO group. You can hear the audio
> through the link. I requested more comments from the Schematron mail list
> etc.
> http://www.eccnet.com/pipermail/schematron/2008-October/000061.html
> I had implemented most of the changes in the Schematron.com version.
>
> In 2010 I made a draft revision, and asked the community for comments.
> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/public-draft-of-next-generatio.html
>
> The Working Group submitted it to international voting. It was accepted with
> conditional revisions by Japan on a particular explanatory issue relating to
> predicate logic.
>
> At this stage, it stalled. [[I found it impossible to find anyone in
> Australia familiar enough with predicate logic syntax to get the parts that
> Japan was concerned about right: I finally found a prof at UNSW who would
> help, but I had conked out: it took multiple years to recover from my
> pericardial surgeries. My hard disk and my new backup drive failed, so I
> lost my sources: Murphy's law. Access to Schematron.com fell into a black
> hole as an ISP changed (no drama, but no resolution still) and I needed to
> concentrate on rebuilding my life: I think I worked pretty hard for the
> first decade of Schematron  from 1999 on Schematron, especially trying to
> list on my blog various techniques that otherwise someone might patent,
> more work than I could do in the second decade.  (I have worked on using
> Schematron for three very large multi-year projects though: so it is still
> in my life.)]]
>
> I did move the code to google.com but this needs to get moved to gitlab.
>
> ISO standards are renewed every ten years. So the version that ISO has
> adopted as the 2016 standard is the 2010 revision. Hurray! I am often
> surprised where it is used, and thAt it really has a good life of its own
> without any push by me. For example, procurement : PEPPOL BIS v1- optional —
> PEPPOL | Pan-European Public Procurement Online.
>
> Finally it is out: and a very big thanks to Murata-san and the WG for taking
> over and seeing it through  when I could not. And a bigger apology that I
> could not complete the last steps of the Editor's job as committed.
>
> If you are looking at other extensions that build on Schematron: the two
> biggies are UBL code lists and W3CQuickFix.
>
> Cheers
> Rick
>
> On 14/05/2016 1:25 AM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@antenna.co.jp> wrote:
>>
>> I found out today that a second edition of ISO Schematron was published
>> in January: https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/24049
>>
>>  - Is there a publicly available version of the standard, as there is
>>    for the first edition [1]?
>>
>>    Buying it from ISO comes out at about EUR 4 per page, but if you
>>    shop around, you can get it for nearly twice that [2].
>>
>>  - Are the schemas for Schematron and SVRL publicly available?
>>
>>    I'm told that SVRL now allows rich and foreign elements and
>>    attributes in failed-assert and successful-report, but that's
>>    all that I know.
>>
>>  - Are there updated XSLT stylesheets available for working with
>>    second-edition Schematron?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Tony Graham.
>> --
>> Senior Architect
>> XML Division
>> Antenna House, Inc.
>> ----
>> Skerries, Ireland
>> tgraham@antenna.co.jp
>>
>> [1] http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html
>> [2] http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030219663
>>
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