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Re: [xml-dev] ISO/IEC 19757-3:2016 Schematron second edition?


In the long run, I think Schematron may well be the XML project's greatest technical legacy to the world.



On 5/19/2016 8:08 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
Thanks Rick for
a) coming up with Schematron - simple when explained well,
horrendously complex until then.
b) the work you've put in to get it to ISO.

It's slowly disappearing into the woodwork, as is XML, just a nice
tool to use when needed.
IMHO a vote of confidence. So bloody useful it should not be allowed to die.

Thank you.

Dave P

On 19 May 2016 at 12:53, Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@allette.com.au> wrote:
The 2006 edition of schematron came out in 2006, but it was largely based on
Schematron circa 2003.

In 2007 I put out a request for suggestions to the public

In 2008 I submitted my ideas to the ISO group. You can hear the audio
through the link. I requested more comments from the Schematron mail list
I had implemented most of the changes in the Schematron.com version.

In 2010 I made a draft revision, and asked the community for comments.

The Working Group submitted it to international voting. It was accepted with
conditional revisions by Japan on a particular explanatory issue relating to
predicate logic.

At this stage, it stalled. [[I found it impossible to find anyone in
Australia familiar enough with predicate logic syntax to get the parts that
Japan was concerned about right: I finally found a prof at UNSW who would
help, but I had conked out: it took multiple years to recover from my
pericardial surgeries. My hard disk and my new backup drive failed, so I
lost my sources: Murphy's law. Access to Schematron.com fell into a black
hole as an ISP changed (no drama, but no resolution still) and I needed to
concentrate on rebuilding my life: I think I worked pretty hard for the
first decade of Schematron  from 1999 on Schematron, especially trying to
list on my blog various techniques that otherwise someone might patent,
more work than I could do in the second decade.  (I have worked on using
Schematron for three very large multi-year projects though: so it is still
in my life.)]]

I did move the code to google.com but this needs to get moved to gitlab.

ISO standards are renewed every ten years. So the version that ISO has
adopted as the 2016 standard is the 2010 revision. Hurray! I am often
surprised where it is used, and thAt it really has a good life of its own
without any push by me. For example, procurement : PEPPOL BIS v1- optional —
PEPPOL | Pan-European Public Procurement Online.

Finally it is out: and a very big thanks to Murata-san and the WG for taking
over and seeing it through  when I could not. And a bigger apology that I
could not complete the last steps of the Editor's job as committed.

If you are looking at other extensions that build on Schematron: the two
biggies are UBL code lists and W3CQuickFix.


On 14/05/2016 1:25 AM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@antenna.co.jp> wrote:
I found out today that a second edition of ISO Schematron was published
in January: https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/24049

  - Is there a publicly available version of the standard, as there is
    for the first edition [1]?

    Buying it from ISO comes out at about EUR 4 per page, but if you
    shop around, you can get it for nearly twice that [2].

  - Are the schemas for Schematron and SVRL publicly available?

    I'm told that SVRL now allows rich and foreign elements and
    attributes in failed-assert and successful-report, but that's
    all that I know.

  - Are there updated XSLT stylesheets available for working with
    second-edition Schematron?


Tony Graham.
Senior Architect
XML Division
Antenna House, Inc.
Skerries, Ireland

[1] http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html
[2] http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030219663


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