Re: [xml-dev] ISO/IEC 19757-3:2016 Schematron second edition?

[Tommie Usdin <btusdin@mulberrytech.com>]

I hadn’t thought about it that way but I agree with Simon: Schematron (and the logic/mechanism that drives it) have enormous potential. 

Schematron is seriously cool - and (at least in the tiny pond I swim in) growing in importance. 

Rick: I doubt that you hear this often so I’ll say it agin: well done!

— Tommie


> On May 19, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@simonstl.com> wrote:
> 
> Seconded!
> 
> In the long run, I think Schematron may well be the XML project's greatest technical legacy to the world.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> On 5/19/2016 8:08 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
>> Thanks Rick for
>> a) coming up with Schematron - simple when explained well,
>> horrendously complex until then.
>> b) the work you've put in to get it to ISO.
>> 
>> It's slowly disappearing into the woodwork, as is XML, just a nice
>> tool to use when needed.
>> IMHO a vote of confidence. So bloody useful it should not be allowed to die.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Dave P
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 May 2016 at 12:53, Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@allette.com.au> wrote:
>>> The 2006 edition of schematron came out in 2006, but it was largely based on
>>> Schematron circa 2003.
>>> 
>>> In 2007 I put out a request for suggestions to the public
>>> http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/post/what_else_should_schematron_ha.html
>>> 
>>> In 2008 I submitted my ideas to the ISO group. You can hear the audio
>>> through the link. I requested more comments from the Schematron mail list
>>> etc.
>>> http://www.eccnet.com/pipermail/schematron/2008-October/000061.html
>>> I had implemented most of the changes in the Schematron.com version.
>>> 
>>> In 2010 I made a draft revision, and asked the community for comments.
>>> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/public-draft-of-next-generatio.html
>>> 
>>> The Working Group submitted it to international voting. It was accepted with
>>> conditional revisions by Japan on a particular explanatory issue relating to
>>> predicate logic.
>>> 
>>> At this stage, it stalled. [[I found it impossible to find anyone in
>>> Australia familiar enough with predicate logic syntax to get the parts that
>>> Japan was concerned about right: I finally found a prof at UNSW who would
>>> help, but I had conked out: it took multiple years to recover from my
>>> pericardial surgeries. My hard disk and my new backup drive failed, so I
>>> lost my sources: Murphy's law. Access to Schematron.com fell into a black
>>> hole as an ISP changed (no drama, but no resolution still) and I needed to
>>> concentrate on rebuilding my life: I think I worked pretty hard for the
>>> first decade of Schematron  from 1999 on Schematron, especially trying to
>>> list on my blog various techniques that otherwise someone might patent,
>>> more work than I could do in the second decade.  (I have worked on using
>>> Schematron for three very large multi-year projects though: so it is still
>>> in my life.)]]
>>> 
>>> I did move the code to google.com but this needs to get moved to gitlab.
>>> 
>>> ISO standards are renewed every ten years. So the version that ISO has
>>> adopted as the 2016 standard is the 2010 revision. Hurray! I am often
>>> surprised where it is used, and thAt it really has a good life of its own
>>> without any push by me. For example, procurement : PEPPOL BIS v1- optional —
>>> PEPPOL | Pan-European Public Procurement Online.
>>> 
>>> Finally it is out: and a very big thanks to Murata-san and the WG for taking
>>> over and seeing it through  when I could not. And a bigger apology that I
>>> could not complete the last steps of the Editor's job as committed.
>>> 
>>> If you are looking at other extensions that build on Schematron: the two
>>> biggies are UBL code lists and W3CQuickFix.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> On 14/05/2016 1:25 AM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@antenna.co.jp> wrote:
>>>> I found out today that a second edition of ISO Schematron was published
>>>> in January: https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/24049
>>>> 
>>>>  - Is there a publicly available version of the standard, as there is
>>>>    for the first edition [1]?
>>>> 
>>>>    Buying it from ISO comes out at about EUR 4 per page, but if you
>>>>    shop around, you can get it for nearly twice that [2].
>>>> 
>>>>  - Are the schemas for Schematron and SVRL publicly available?
>>>> 
>>>>    I'm told that SVRL now allows rich and foreign elements and
>>>>    attributes in failed-assert and successful-report, but that's
>>>>    all that I know.
>>>> 
>>>>  - Are there updated XSLT stylesheets available for working with
>>>>    second-edition Schematron?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tony Graham.
>>>> --
>>>> Senior Architect
>>>> XML Division
>>>> Antenna House, Inc.
>>>> ----
>>>> Skerries, Ireland
>>>> tgraham@antenna.co.jp
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html
>>>> [2] http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030219663
>>>> 
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