Re: [xliff-comment] Comment annotations with "ref" and "value"

Hi Rodolfo,Â
there are errors in some of the many Schematron rules to be sure and we plan to update them in 2.2.

U're welcome to rejoin and help with that.

However, there's nothing wrong with the Schematrons in this specific case..

BTW, it's OASIS policy that validation artifacts take precedence in case of discrepancy between prose and the artifacts..

Cheers dF

On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 18:17 Rodolfo M. Raya <> wrote:

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The fragment âif and only ifâ only indicates that ârefâ must be present to indicate which note is referenced when there is no âvalueâ. It does not forbid the presence of ârefâ when there is âvalueâ. I understand the intention, but the text does not say what was intended.

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The schematron is informative. If there is a discrepancy between the specification and the schematron, the specification text has precedence.

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Iâm sending these emails because Iâm finding many possible errors in the schematron files. In this particular case, the schematron marks the presence of both attributes as invalid but the specification does not forbid the presence of both. 

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I may report other problems with schematron later.

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Regards,

Rodolfo

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From: David Filip <> 
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Rodolfo, it says "if and only if", meaning having both is illegalÂÂ

The core schematron rules do highlight this as invalid, I tested recently in oXygen 21

Of course xsd cannot catch a co-occurrence constraint

Cheers dF

Dr. David Filip

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On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 5:07 PM Rodolfo M. Raya <> wrote:

Having both attributes is not forbidden in the specification. It is even valid according to the core schema. 

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Perhaps the specification needs to be modified to make having both attributes present at the same time an invalid case.

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Regards,

Rodolfo

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From: David Filip <>
Date: Friday, April 5, 2019 at 12:01 PM
To: "Rodolfo M. Raya" <>
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Subject: Re: [xliff-comment] Comment annotations with "ref" and "value"

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Hi Rodolfo,Â

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having both is invalid.

Cheers dF

Dr. David Filip

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On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:10 PM Rodolfo M. Raya <> wrote:

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Description of Comment Annotations at http://docs.oasis-open.org/xliff/xliff-core/v2.1/os/xliff-core-v2.1-os.html#commentAnnotation says that if âvalueâ is missing, there must be a ârefâ attribute pointing to a <note>.

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What should be considered the text of the comment when both a âvalueâ and a valid ârefâ attribute exist? 

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Regards,

Rodolfo

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