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Re: My last on IE6 and XML

Dear Group,
    IE enables XML applications. It is fully enabled XML platform with
number of working implementations based upon MSXML3+ parser. Most of the
complains are about the shell - but it is just one shell application. You
can do whatever you want inside in xml/xslt 100% compliant fasion and you
need to do so anyway if you for one reason or another *must* support other
browsers. Moreover, for *any* non-trivial application you have to use
scripting thus MSXML becomes the only way to veiw "XML". Joshua argument is
that outside of 10-minute lab exercise in XML the scope of bugs listed is
not going to affect anyone developing or using XML applications.
    Watching MS users groups I see quite a few people building XML solutions
well beyond the scope of standard, and one of Microsoft priorities must to
be the support and enabling of the existing users. Support of
recommendations that are outside of main stream is not an arrogance, but
customer care and managing the time.
Anatole Tartakovsky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Park" <donpark@docuverse.com>
To: "Joshua Allen" <joshuaa@microsoft.com>; <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: My last on IE6 and XML

> Joshua,
> I have been following this and other related threads and have following
> comments:
> 1. Microsoft and the XML community do not see eye-to-eye.
> 2. If your comments (and your attitude apparent between the lines of your
> comments) represents that of Microsoft IE teams' as a whole, the
> between the two groups will persist.
> I have noted that many Microsoft engineers, with some notable exceptions
> like those who have participated in the XML community from early stages,
> seems to be surrounded in a thick fume of arrogance.  Arrogance, a
> side-effect of confidence which is an important ingrediant of productivity
> for any sized group, coats every words uttered and betrays every jesture
> humility and honesty offered.  Behind every argument against IE, you will
> see contempt, a shielded reflection of that arrogance.  Looking at the
> exploding exchange of messages your attempt to 'defend' IE's XML support,
> you must agree at this point that best course of action should have been
> silence.
> My suggest to Microsoft is to form a shield of outside XML experts and ask
> them to guide Microsoft during formulation of XML-related requirements and
> priorities; instead of guessing what people need, just ask them.  If IE6
> designed this way, a) IE 6 would have been a better product, b) Microsoft
> would have had a ready ring of respectable outside defenders to deflect
> criticisms.
> But then my forementioned arrogance tends to blind those encased in the
> fume, so I doubt Microsoft will heed my advice.
> Best,
> Don Park
> Docuverse
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