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   Re: [xml-dev] Will Web Services Kill HTTP?

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> > I'd certainly consider it to be 'on the internet'.  Not 'on the web'
> > though, since it doesn't use 'web' protocols.
> Don't know much about BEEP, but from the brief description, I take that 
> it at least uses TCP as its internet transfer protocol??  

Well, it *can* use TCP.  Folks are also working on SCTP and other bindings,
too.  Definitely a multi-layered protocol framework.

> The next question would be, at what level is it considered the web.  

I wouldn't consider it the web at all, really.  To me, I consider
HTTP/HTTPS to be the web and that's about it.  SOAP-over-HTTP would
be the web, but SOAP-over-BEEP wouldn't.  Mostly because things
that ride 'on the web' can infrastructure already in place, such
as proxies, etc.  Currently, folks don't have BEEP proxies installed
on their firewalls.  Someone (I forget whom), though, already made
a case why having everything travel HTTP is bad, because it slips
by paranoid network admins.  

> I would think that nntp, smtp, pop, ftp, irc and the various other internet 
> protocols are also not the web.  I personally wouldn't even consider SOAP
> a web protocol, even though it is based on XML. it is an encapsulation
> protocol for RPC that can be bound to any other internet protocol to allow
> for access through Firewalls.  HTTP being used the most, as it is
> the Port that is commonly open on a firewall.

Agreed 100%.

> I do believe as the internet transitions to IPv6, that some of the underlying
> protocols will change to take full advantages of it.  (if we ever do move
> to IPv6) With that move perhaps a robust low level protocol for RPC will
> become available??

I honestly doubt we'll ever reach IPv6.  The widespread usage of NAT
has reduced cry of "we're running out of address!" which as I understood
it, was the main push behind IPv6.  We still might see things spun-off
from IPv6 go into widespread usage, like IPsec, etc, but on top of IPv4.
Else, maybe the net as a whole will do IPv6, but I think it'll be
bridge to deskstops still doing IPv4.  Do you know how many applications
will break if they are required to speak v6?



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