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   Re: [xml-dev] What does SOAP really add?

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Francis Norton wrote:

> I'm not saying that the model is dead, just that the assumption that 
> there is no serious requirement for query parameters that are too 
> complex to be URL-encoded as a list of name-value pairs is no longer 
> valid.


 > I think I can see the advantages of  having these queries
> represented in a document-embeddable, idempotency-assumable form, but 
> unless someone provides a solution which provides these characteristics 
> for complex queries, then people will just use POST instead. Time will 
> tell, but at this point I'd be willing to bet a nice bottle of wine on 
> this outcome being apparent within the next six month

Interesting bet; I'll take it.  All we need is a document-embeddable,
idempotency-assumable form blessed officially and we're off to the

> But I'm interested in passing schema-valid XML blocks as query 
> parameters, or representations thereof. Your proposal doesn't help much 
> there.

Agreed.  I'm after the low-hanging fruit.  If the GET mapping turns
out to be popular, maybe somebody real smart will figure out a good
way to to encode your blocks in a URL.

> Are you really comfortable asserting that there is and will be no 
> substantial requirement for safe/idempotent operations which have 
> parameters of  context-sensitive complexity rather than of FSM 
> complexity, which I think is what it boils down to?

I'm not asserting that at all.  Tons of safe/idempotent operations
right now are submitted by POST out of HTML forms, I've done it
myself, it's a fact of life.  All I'm saying is that if it's safe
and idempotent and simple enough to be able to represent as a URI
and make it part of the Web, and there's an easy way to do that,
why not do it?> If not, why don't we try to come up with a solution which meets your 
> requirements?

I've done that, I think. -Tim


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