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I apologize again for my mistake in posting the info.  However, I don't
totally agree with the implications of your statement below.

>I doubt there is anyone XML-DEV who isn't aware of how much support
Microsoft and the rest of the software industry has given XML or how
widely it is utilized and deployed. 

I don't know about that.  They probably know that Microsoft is on the
standards boards, but I think many people don't have a clue how much if
any of the XML standards Microsoft has actually implemented in their
products or if they are implemented properly or are providing value.  I
think a LOT of people on this XML-DEV have tried HARD not to look at
anything Microsoft does.  And wouldn't touch .NET products with a 10
foot pole, not even to find out if they are any good.  I didn't know the
answer to Frank's question below, but he seems to be that kind of
person. (And I mean no disrespect to Frank.  I have no clue of his
feelings or what he programs except the one paragraph he wrote below.)
But I'm betting he's avoided Microsoft like the plague since 1998.  

>Do you mean that Microsoft is actually supporting CSS for XML in, I
guess, IE.NET? I've been cussing them since 1998 because I have to write
two stylesheets (XSLT _and_ CSS) instead of just CSS because their CSS
is so lame. Have they really fixed it? Does ':before' work now?

Pam Ammond
Empowering You!

website: http://www.empoweringyou.com 
Please check out the "Wow! Look At Windows XP" book I wrote at

-----Original Message-----
From: Dare Obasanjo [mailto:dareo@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 11:49 PM
To: Simon St.Laurent; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Microsoft on XML

I concur. This is a technical list for technical discussions about XML
and related technologies. I doubt there is anyone XML-DEV who isn't
aware of how much support Microsoft and the rest of the software
industry has given XML or how widely it is utilized and deployed. 

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@simonstl.com] 
	Sent: Wed 11/13/2002 8:24 PM 
	To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org 
	Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Microsoft on XML

	pam@empoweringyou.com (Empowering You) writes:
	>I thought you all would be interested in part of an email
letter about
	>XML from Steve Ballmer of Microsoft. 
	Actually, I'm quite definitely not interested in marketing
	If Steve Ballmer suddenly has something to say at the level of
XML this
	list typically discusses, I'll be happy to see it - perhaps Mr.
	might take some time from his busy schedule to discuss it. 
	In the meantime, I think most of us have gotten used to seeing
XML used
	in commercials ("he doesn't know what XML is") and cited in
	magazines (Scientific American, Business Week, The Economist,
	etc.) that we don't need to be reminded that the technical work
we do
	lights up business people's pipes.
	Simon St.Laurent - SSL is my TLA
	http://simonstl.com may be my URI
	http://monasticxml.org may be my ascetic URI
	urn:oid: is another possibility altogether
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