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My friend is a programmer for a large defense contractor. He writes api's for creating messages encoded in XML, the payload of which is also XML. The messages represent small packets - alarms in their jargon - sent between layers of the system. Parts of the system strip away and replace parts of the outer XML. They eschew attributes whenever possible, don't care about doing transformations, and need a very low level binding of element content to classes and properties. My friend is a data person.
Much like the XP programmer I alluded to earlier, my friend grew to hate XML, after a fashion. It wasn't until I informed him that there were other applications for XML that he began to realize that it was the convoluted architecture foisted upon him that he hated, and not XML per se.
Dare Obasanjo wrote:
> I often here folks on XML-DEV talk about the distinction between data-centric vs. document-centric uses of XML yet I've always failed to see how these uses of XML are at loggerheads. This now seems to me to be the typical XML-DEV posturing the advance an agenda.
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> Does anyone have any concrete differences between such uses of XML that require such divisive terms as "doc vs data people".
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> From: Martin Soukup [mailto:martin@dynamine.net]
> Sent: Fri 6/6/2003 9:45 AM
> To: 'Simon St.Laurent'; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: RE: [xml-dev] YAML Ain't Markup Language
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> YAML does seem to very cleanly clear away the debate I see raging here
> and elsewhere nearly daily between the doc vs data people. I must say I
> am also concerned though. Where is the migration path for data people
> making use of all the excellent tools available for XML? There is an
> arduous path ahead.
>
> Martin.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@simonstl.com]
>>Sent: June 6, 2003 12:35 PM
>>To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
>>Subject: Re: [xml-dev] YAML Ain't Markup Language
>>
>>mamiano@nc.rr.com (Mitch Amiano) writes:
>>
>>>[much good, from a markup perspective]
>>>
>>>YAML does appear to hold value
>>>for data serialization. But a little nagging feeling inside tells me
>>>that there is a myopic viewpoint at play.
>>
>>I have to congratulate the YAML folks for their "myopic viewpoint".
>>They've set out to solve a much smaller set of problems in ways which
>>are convenient for those problems. They keep the Unicode text
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> advantage
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>>of XML, but go their own way for solving their own (still general but
>>much more tightly focused) set of problems.
>>
>>I've found in practice that data serialization brings with it a myopic
>>viewpoint on XML, and to put it bluntly, I'd rather have alternative
>>approaches which cater to that viewpoint than deal with efforts which
>>force data serialization notions into XML specifications.
>>
>>To me, the name "YAML Ain't Markup Language" makes clear the
>
> separation
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>>from markup approaches. That separation seems far more likely to make
>>both people who care about markup and people who don't happy than
>>continuing to force both groups into one set of specs, tools, and
>>practices.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Simon St.Laurent
>>Ring around the content, a pocket full of brackets
>>Errors, errors, all fall down!
>>http://simonstl.com -- http://monasticxml.org
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