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Just to make it clear to poeple who are not very familiar with XUL, this
site is not really about XUL.  It just "borrows" the name from the Mozilla
technology.  It uses the absurd notion that any ui markup in xml is called
XUL.  I won't drag you into the discussion on its mailing list about whether
it should or can use the term XUL (most messages on that list are on this
topic anyways).  You can check out the discussion at
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=xul-talk if you are

The site is a great resource for xml base rich UI technologies.  And Geral
Bauer is doing a great service to the xml based rich UI community by putting
this site up.  But you should not expect see XUL stuff there.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Bauer" <luxorxul@yahoo.ca>
To: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:52 PM
Subject: [xml-dev] ANN: XUL Alliance Goes Live - New XML UI Standards Body

> Hi,
>   In case you haven't heard I launched the XUL
> Alliance site sporting the tagline "Creating A Rich
> Internet For Everyone".
>   The goal is to promote all things XUL (XML UI
> Language) and to provide free test suites to help
> ensure interoperability between different XUL
> motors/browsers/runtimes and free, open-source
> show-case examples (aka blue prints) to demo the power
> of XML for creating UIs.
>   For now the XUL Alliance Site sports:
>     * XUL News Wire - Breaking News About XUL; also
> known as the xul-announce Mailing List
>     * The Richmond Post - Chronicle of the XUL
> Revolution; XUL News Weblog
>     * xul-talk Mailing List - Beyond Mozilla; Talk
> about XUL issues touching more than one XUL
> motor/browser/runtime
>     * XUL Lecture Series - Rich Clients, Rich
> Browsers, Rich Portals and much more
>     * XUL Link-opida - Articles, FAQs, Cheat Sheets
> and much more
>   You can find out more @ http://xul.sourceforge.net
>   The XUL alliance site kick-off spawned some "flame
> wars" about the question "What is XUL (XML UI
> Language)?
>   If you're interested in hairsplitting, you might
> wonna read up on the discussion in the MozillaZine @
> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3213
> or in the xul-talk mailinglist @
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=xul-talk
>   The heated debate also uncovered some gems. If I may
> quote Mozilla XUL, Firebird (nee Phoenix) and Safari
> legend David Hyatt:
> <quote>
> We have no plans to standardize the tagset or syntax
> through an external organization like the W3C.
> </quote>
>   I also tried to stir up the W3C XForms folks with
> posts to their www-forms@w3.org mailinglist such as
> "XUL Alliance Site Goes Live - New XML UI Standards
> Body Emerging?" and "W3C XForms: Rest In Peace".
>      So far nobody cares.
>   As I see it W3C XForms is a good real-world case
> study of premature standardization (in-contrast to
> "build it first and standarize later") and I had a
> discussion back in April with the XFroms community and
> spec leads that you might wonna check out @
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/thread.html
>   See the threads entitled "Welcome to the Real-World;
> The Future of XForms" @
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/0014.html
>  and "The Devil of Good is Perfect" @
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2003Apr/0039.html
>  , for example.
>   To add some urgency to the discussion may I point
> out the XUL News Wire story titled "Microsoft will
> ship Longhorn Betas with built-in XUL motor this fall"
> @
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.xul.announce/17
>   If I may quote:
> <quote>
> The Longhorn compilers, for instance, will use XML
> script files to create user-interface functions with a
> few lines of XML code that before would have required
> hundreds, if not thousands, of lines of C# coding. And
> the Longhorn software developer kit, which is also due
> out this fall, will come with prebuilt XML Application
> Markup Language (XAML) schemas for many UI functions
> </quote>
>     Ok, that's it. Any thoughts?
>   - Gerald
> PS: If you wonder: Who is this guy? Check out my
> ongoing "Rich Clients, Rich Browsers, Rich Portals"
> lecture series @
> http://xul.sourceforge.net/events.html
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