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I don't know if that was addressesd to me, what started out as a couple of
opening paragraphs in a chapter now looks like filling the book :)
What <em>I</em> meant was that at heart a Web service is usually composed of
a request followed by a response, neither need be in an XML format. But as
the chapter deals almost exclusively with the SOAP protocol and tries to
explain WSDL structure then when I refer to Web services later it's taken to
mean where the service returns data in an XML format.
Joe
>From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
>To: "Doug Rudder" <drudder@drugfacts.com>, "Bullard, Claude L (Len)"
><len.bullard@intergraph.com>, "Michael Kay" <mike@saxonica.com>
>CC: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
>Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Demand for web services
>Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:44:57 -0400
>
>Please clarify what you mean by "(XML) Web Services" as opposed to "Web
>Services".
>
>Joe
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug Rudder [mailto:drudder@drugfacts.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:36 PM
> > To: 'Bullard, Claude L (Len)'; 'Michael Kay'
> > Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> > Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Demand for web services
> >
> > Don't forget the statement that launched the thread:
> >
> > "One of my assertions was that the growth of (XML) Web
> > services was promoted by the need to separate content from
> > presentation, users required data in a "pure" form which
> > could then be styled as they saw fit and depending on the
> > front end, their device capabilities etc." - Joe
> >
> > Doug :-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:len.bullard@intergraph.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:01 PM
> > To: 'Michael Kay'; 'Doug Rudder'
> > Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> > Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Demand for web services
> >
> > "In my opinion the separation isn't the principle feature
> > neither in XML nor in Web Services." - Xasima
> >
> > "I agree. It is one of the stronger myths about XML,
> > repeated everywhere and seldom examined critically as you are
> > doing." - Len
> >
> > "It's not a myth; it's a very useful and important part of
> > XML. But only a part, and not always required, as you noted." - Doug
> >
> > It's not a part of XML. That is the myth. It is a design principle.
> > That is not a myth.
> >
> > The tough part is principles in conflict: such as the
> > Principle of Least Power vs The Principle of Separation of
> > Content and Presentation. Let the parsing continue.
> >
> > len
> >
> > From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@saxonica.com]
> >
> > > But XML doesn't care. You do.
> >
> > This started with a discussion as to why Web Services had
> > been adopted, and strayed into a discussion of why XML had
> > been adopted. You seem to be arguing against a viewpoint that
> > I seem to have missed; I don't recall anyone suggesting that
> > XML had views on anything.
> >
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