Re: [xml-dev] [offtopic] your participation is necessary

[Jim Melton <jim.melton@acm.org>]

Dmitry,

I've told you over and over that your unfortunate choice of "SQLn" (n 
currently equal to 5) doesn't win you any friends.  Your habit of 
demanding that people to whom you send email do your bidding turns 
people off.  And your obsession with this project has reached the 
level of true spam.  I know scores and scores of people to whom you 
send your demanding email.  Some company is probably going to 
blacklist your email addresses one of these days to protect their 
employees.  And you continue to send me email asking me to propose 
your technology for standardization through the USA national body, 
even though I have told you repeatedly that I will not do so...but 
you keep sending email worded as though you've never had a response from me.

You know (because many people, including me, have told you) how to 
pursue standardization -- join your national body and propose things 
through them, join some consortium and become active and submit it to 
them, etc.  But please STOP SPAMMING EVERYBODY!

Jim

P.S., I doubt very sincerely that anybody from Oracle told you that 
Oracle doesn't like new ideas.  You are obviously misrepresenting 
whatever you were told (which I imagine was something like "Corporate 
policy does not allow individual employees to accept technology from 
non-Oracle employees, but it has to be submitted formally using 
corporate procedures."

At 5/21/2008 05:40 AM, Dmitry Turin wrote:
>Man of good will,
>
>please, help me. I'd like to get SQL5 [1] (which support
>process of XML and has some other features) implemented
>in at least one DBMS (SQL5 is public domain). There are
>two ways to get it: to submit for companies,
>to standardize in ISO JTC1 SC32 WG3 or WG4 [2].
>
>I appealed to Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM
>(submission is registered with #13795 of February 14 2008).
>They are executing own plans and did not draw decision
>to implement SQL5 (one man from russian department
>of Oracle even wrote me, that their managers don't like
>new ideas at all). I also can't find anybody from Sybase,
>who would advocate proposal in his company. The same with
>hackers of free DBMS Postgres.
>
>Participation in JTC1 SC32 is possible only via National
>Body [3], but russian NB ("Federal Agency on Technical
>Regulating and Metrology" [4]) really does not work
>(it's a pity, it's usual for organizations of Russia).
>
>Thus i ask you to submit SQL5 to your National Technical
>Committee for consideration (SQL5 would have the "approval"
>of committee, so it would have a much better chance to pass
>at the ISO meetings) and to SC32 via your own National Body
>as an Individual Expert's contribution (document would be
>provided to the ISO committee for consideration on its own
>merits even without any approval from your country).
>I ask you a lot to help.
>
>[1] http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.1.pdf
>[2] http://jtc1sc32.org
>[3] http://jtc1sc32.org/membership.html
>[4] http://www.gost.ru
>
>
>Dmitry Turin
>
>
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