Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup data" or "wr

[Robert Koberg <rob@koberg.com>]

I guess I am interested in this thread because I recently made a  
comment on a blog questioning tag's meaning:

"regarding docx, I don't see how a flat list of elements (what does  
tagged with XML mean?) in document order will help poinpoint data."

here:
http://marklogic.blogspot.com/2008/09/forbescom-interview-corporate-pack.html

-Rob


On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Mark Shellenberger wrote:

> I agree that 'tagging' stuff seems a bit vulgar but it also gets  
> across the
> message to those that need said message.  I make a point of showing  
> the
> difference between element and tag in conversation regarding XML  
> because
> those two terms have specific different meanings.
>
> But how are 'to markup' or 'to tag' (in the sense of XML/HTML)  
> different?
> Or is it just a sensibility thing?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deborah Aleyne Lapeyre [mailto:dalapeyre@mulberrytech.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:38 PM
> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup  
> data" or
> "wrap data in tags"?
>
> "Preferred" is such a slippery word. In my teaching experience
> (no preference implied):
>
>> 1. I marked up the data.  - is the way the professionals in
> this industry would say it. It sounds fine to most of us, but also
> confuses many novices, even copyeditors.
>
>> 2, 3, and 4 are OK, but nobody talks like this in real life IMO
>
>> 5, 6, 7 have never been heard by me in the real world. I also
> don't like them much (maybe I do have a preference after all)
>
> The great unwashed (i.e. professionals in some other business
> than this Markup stuff) would, I think, mostly agree with Mark,
> they "tag" their data.
>
> Overlap geeks have been heard to call it
>   "applying inline markup"
>
> ----------
> Yes, Steve, I agree that "to mark up" is a verb, but
> even "markup" the noun has problems.
>
> When Balisage wanted a subtitle to tell people what the
> conference was actually about, we chose
>   "Balisage:The Markup Conference".
> Sounded good to us, because we wanted to express that it was more
> than "Balisage: The XML Conference" since it was perfectly
> fine to talk about microformats, SGML, non-XML-based mashups
> and clouds, out-of-line-markup, LMNL, etc. But it left a lot of
> people wondering what the conference WAS about, and we have had
> some very odd email reactions and a bunch of business types
> who do not view the UBL and other tag-related things that
> they do as "markup". Markup is for text, not data is some eyes.
> Odd old world.
>
> --dal
>
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