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RE: [xml-dev] Principles for an Ethical and Sustainable Internet

Thanks Michael.  Technical solutions are welcome.  There are more discussions of that and other means.   Some heavyweights in the music industry are paying close attention to those discussions.

A problem is advancing the understanding of the situation when it is mired up in flawed discussions of topics such as censorship.  Even our own luminaries have fallen into that trap and as a result, their credibility is questioned.

If you read the Trichordist blog you'll see that legal solutions are now being pursued aggressively and are having an impact.  There is focus on the search engines and ad servers where exploitation is noticeable, traceable and provable.  As a result companies such as BMW are pulling ads and changing policies.  Google quietly settled in another case.

The entertainment community is stepping up to fight the evangelists who may have been well meaning, eg, Doctorow and Lessig, but have ultimately been shown to be dead wrong.   We built a machine that simply transfers wealth and is in no way frictionless.

Yes, Tei, cultures evolve but theft is theft.   According to the US Dept of Labor, the number of professional musicians (say working for a living) has dropped 41% in the last decade.  Piracy has an impact.


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hopwood [mailto:michael@editeur.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:10 AM
To: Tei; xml-dev@lists.xml.org; Len Bullard
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] Principles for an Ethical and Sustainable Internet

Len, Oscar,

I posted this at the blog you sent round, maybe it's worth quoting here too?

“As the internet becomes increasingly a “machine to machine” environment, driven by data, the management of copyright must not be left behind. This is not a project about “digital rights management” as commonly understood in terms of rights enforcement; rather it is a project about the communication and management of digital rights data; i.e. the creation of a standard data infrastructure for increasingly automated rights communication…

The project is designed to create an infrastructure which is neutral with respect to regulatory, commercial and technical environments and flexible to the changes which will inevitably occur in each of these over time. The project is not about changing copyright law but rather will support all types of business model and commercial transaction (including “free”); and any supply or value chain. One of the overall objectives of our project is to ensure that users, both B2B and consumers, can easily access and enjoy content, whether it is through human transacted or automated licensing.”

More: http://www.linkedcontentcoalition.org/The_Project.html

PS - there will be XML involved at some point, almost certainly...

-----Original Message-----
From: Tei [mailto:oscar.vives@gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 August 2012 11:01
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re: [xml-dev] Principles for an Ethical and Sustainable Internet

On 28 August 2012 03:19, Len Bullard <cbullard@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> Normally I wouldn't post this here, but here is where many of the 
> people who built the machine gather, and it is our responsibility to 
> do something about the unintended consequences.
> http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/principles-for-an-ethic
> al-and
> -sustainable-internet/
> We're killing our culture.  I don't think anyone intended that but the 
> web is serving interests antithetical to its own continued health.  I 
> don't intend to have a long debate here about that. We did that a 
> decade ago.  On the other hand, it's time to quit denying it or 
> telling others nothing can be done because it is "inevitable".  We've tried it the open source way.

You say like killing our culture is a bad thing.  Our culture will die, and another one will born. Change, evolution, progress.

> We've tried it the egoboo way.  These ways have failed to protect the 
> rights of others.  We work for companies that fight each other 
> viciously for intellectual property of their own while profiting 
> through the piracy of the rights of others.
> If we can't stop it, it will be stopped by means none of us will like.  
> This goes to the heart of businesses.  This goes to the heart of culture.
> If we were smart enough to turn it on, we better prepare to watch it 
> disintegrate if we can't control the unintended consequences.
> len

Some people just want a free ferrari, others would pay 100$, and some full price. Some would even pay 10m$ for a ferrari if come with extras.  MOST people want the free ferrari, but is still posible to make money.


ℱin del ℳensaje.


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